[sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] physical security working group?

Cere Misc cere.misc at gmail.com
Sat Dec 6 18:08:14 PST 2014 

They are random obtainium and they work!  That's my point.  We just need
secure boxes that can be hacked to fit a lock.

On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yeah, to store gear you'd almost be better off putting the skinny lockers
> on their side, so at least you'd have a very long shelf to put stuff on. :-D
>
> The trunks are interesting - I didn't know that's what they were; just
> assumed they were more random obtainium that someone had dragged in...
>
> Patrik
>
> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Cere Misc <cere.misc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I often find that the tall skinny ones are just too dammed skinny.  Sudo
>> now just has these trunks all stacked on top of one another that can be
>> opened and closed and a padlock can be added.  It's doesn't have to be
>> iso9000 compliant "lockers" to be considered a locker.
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What size lockers would be most useful for people? I've mostly been
>>> looking out for the 1-cubic-foot versions. The taller lockers tend to be
>>> designed to hang up clothing, which isn't quite as useful for us. But they
>>> could be subdivided with internal shelving.
>>>
>>> Here's one CL posting for a 2-tier set of eight 3ft high lockers for
>>> $120: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/fuo/4792420191.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I could easily imagine a few walls in the basement (or for sudo and CCL,
>>> along the long graffitti wall) covered with lockers, with a clear price
>>> list for different sizes and shapes. Maybe charge $5/mo for the cubic foot
>>> version, $12/mo for the 3ft ones, and $20 for a full height one? We'd need
>>> to set up some payment system to manage them though - including cutting off
>>> unauthorized locks, emptying abandoned lockers, and everything else that
>>> comes with that...
>>>
>>> Suitable lockers on CraigsList can be found at very affordable rates
>>> (with some patience anyway), but they do require a truck to move...
>>>
>>> Patrik
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Cere Misc <cere.misc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am not so much about video based security as I am wanting to see more
>>>> "lockup" space for members.  Sudo has added these nice larger (some of them
>>>> lockable if members bring a lock) containers in their space.  I like this.
>>>> They are larger and able to store a more reasonable sized space for
>>>> "hackers".  I know this is one a lot of other peoples radar as well, I just
>>>> wanted to say that I care about it and have my eye out for more of these
>>>> kinds of stackable secure storage solutions.
>>>>
>>>> -Cere
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> *(psst - don't tell yar, but I think you hit Reply All ;-)*
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as social pressure goes - I want to make it clear that I am not
>>>>> specifically advocating in favor of video surveillance. I just wanted to
>>>>> better understand what the landscape of attitudes around this topic at the
>>>>> Omni looks like, since I remembered this topic coming up at Sudo in the
>>>>> past as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yar - is your objection specifically with video? Or would you have
>>>>> similar objections if we had a motion sensor or RFID system that allowed
>>>>> tracking people throughout the different rooms in the building? In this
>>>>> case, there'd be no images that could be used for surveillance outside the
>>>>> Omni, and it would be impossible to tell what people are doing in the
>>>>> different rooms, but there would still be information on attendance and
>>>>> association patterns that could theoretically be abused by a 3rd party.
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrik
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Stan Osborne <stan at ana.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrick,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This messages is between you and myself, for the moment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I say we have all the resources at OMNI for building industrial
>>>>>> security
>>>>>> capable of earning Yar's trust.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The following is cut from a friend and collaborator's CV.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    5.10 Seguridad de la Información:
>>>>>>         RENIEC – Seminario Internacional;  Seguridad de la Información
>>>>>>         Expositor : Msc. Stan Osborne
>>>>>>         Swissotel, San Isidro, Lima, PERU
>>>>>>         Enero 24, 25 y 26 2001
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I try hard to avoid bragging, until it might be useful.  RENIEC is an
>>>>>> acronym for a government agency in Peru.   Any adult Peruvian with a
>>>>>> National ID card knows what it stands for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's start collecting requirements for OMNI internal secure storage,
>>>>>> both physical and digital.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By all means, it is to early to trust claims contained here-i.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today I'm short on time, but will have more time Sunday evening and
>>>>>> hope
>>>>>> to stop by then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, December 6, 2014 2:57 pm, yar wrote:
>>>>>> > On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <
>>>>>> patrikd at gmail.com>
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> >> Back at the old sudo location, there were a few muggings right
>>>>>> outside
>>>>>> >> the
>>>>>> >> door. I remember there was some discussion at that time about
>>>>>> under what
>>>>>> >> conditions a security camera might be acceptable. E.g. using strong
>>>>>> >> encryption, auto-erasing after some expiration date, and requiring
>>>>>> >> multiple
>>>>>> >> keys to unlock the recordings.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Would those kinds of safeguards satisfy your concerns around video
>>>>>> >> surveillance?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > It would take some work to get me to trust a scheme like this... and
>>>>>> > it would create social pressure to accept whatever results...
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> Did Sudo ever wind up installing a security camera at the
>>>>>> >> front door in the old location?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > The landlord had a video surveillance system, so it was moot.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> PS: are there any particular security needs that La Commune needs
>>>>>> help
>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>> >> ASAP?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Yes, securing their books after-hours.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>
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