[sudo-discuss] hacker schools discussion

[Romy Ilano]

I know the people that run HackBright - it's legit, and they do place their
students in very well paying jobs. They have extremely competent
instructors. They are very selective about choosing the right people....

 but just as importantly, they market their students to Silicon Valley
Start-ups, and frequently take their students to networking dinners. that's
one of the key actions a hacker school must take, building relationships,
in order for their students to get good job offers.


   - Is a  government accreditation agency going to recognize that the
   networking component is crucial for such schools, justifying their costs?
   - Could a fly by night online education start-up make similar claims
   that their students get amazing salaries... but lack these crucial
   networking events?


Wow, googling "trade school fraud" opens up a whole can of worms:


   -
   http://wp.tradeschoolscams.com/gainful-employment-regs-its-up-to-the-states/







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Romy Ilano
romy at snowyla.com




On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 8:19 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> Some of the "hacker schools" are awesome, 99% of the students love them,
> and some of them are basically scams. But they are all very expensive (eg
> HackBright gets nearly universal acclaim, but it's $15,000 for an 8 week
> class), and it's hard to tell which one is awesome and which one is a scam
> just by looking at their websites. So some sort of oversight / regulation
> is needed, but I'm not sure what the best way is. There's plenty of other
> vocational schools (all those ones that promise to get you a high paying
> job as a dental assistant or pharmacy technician or whatever) that are
> mostly scams and yet are unaffected by the current regulatory framework in
> place.
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Romy Ilano <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
>
>> Here's a good Fast Company article, they highlight the people who paid
>> the money but didn't find jobs:
>>
>>
>> http://www.fastcompany.com/3023456/become-an-ios-developer-in-8-weeks-the-truth-about-hack-schools
>>
>>
>>    - One example was pretty weird... there was a pregnant woman who
>>    enered dev bootcamp, and she couldn't compete with her 12 hours study days
>>    against others who were studying 16 hours a day. -- wow! what were they
>>    thinking? I think a hacker bootcamp would be a terrible idea for a pregnant
>>    woman / new parent.
>>
>>
>>
>>    - One hacker school is in the Midwest, where there aren't that many
>>    mobile developer jobs and they were training people to be iOS Developers.
>>    Kind of weird.
>>
>>
>> I love hacker schools, but they have to be extremely selective if they
>> advertise to people that graduating students are going to get $70K a year
>> jobs after only 10-15 weeks of study. The advertising of salaries is what
>> bothers me a lot...
>>
>> As we've been discussing, I see totally shady for-profit institutions
>> copying the hacker idea and fleecing unqualified students in the future. I
>> don't want the good hacker schools to get shut down :(
>>
>>
>> =============================
>>
>> Romy Ilano
>> romy at snowyla.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Hol Gaskill <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  industrialization of education - obscuring the intrinsic value of
>>> knowledge and showing the way forward so that the technicians will know
>>> which direction to pull the carts
>>> ==
>>>
>>
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