[sudo-discuss] $ sudo reboot

[Steve Berl]

Crucible has the tool room, where you can check stuff out. It does require
someone to be at the toolroom to do the checking in and out, so you need to
figure out how to staff it. There is also the issue that at the end of the
day, everything has to be checked back in before the toolroom attendent
closes up for the night. This happens when they are locking up, no 24 hour
access there. It also takes up a lot of space. The toolroom at The Crucible
is probably bigger than all of sudoroom.

Techshop has most small simple tools out in the open, where you can just
grab something and use it, and hopefully put it back in the right place
when you are done. Those tools seem to get misplaced pretty quickly and it
becomes hard to find what you are looking for. Some other tools require
checkout from the front desk staff. Some of these are tools that require
training to use (tool holders for the Tormac CNC Mill come to mind), or are
sets of things that want to stay together (tap and die sets, drill bit
sets). I think they might also keep valuable stuff (micrometers) up their.

-steve



On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:

> About the tools. I was at the crucible.  They basically have a room that
> has the tools with a window.  I was there for an event so I didn't get to
> see it in action or ask but I bet you have to sign tools out and that way
> things don't go missing as easy.
> On Mar 13, 2014 8:55 AM, "Yardena Cohen" <yardenack at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
>> > Also relevant to reboot and an ongoing concern of mine - the shop area.
>>  Is
>> > it big enough to be useful as a shop?  How does it compare to other
>> > hackerspaces?  Does it need to be co-located with the main space or
>> does it
>> > make sense to have it offsite?  If we added a satellite workshop
>> somewhere
>> > else, would the space be more usable for other purposes and make moving
>> > everything less of a priority?
>>
>> Thanks for asking this, Hol. I've been sad about the shop area for a
>> while. Some parts have been getting some love recently, and I'm very
>> happy about that! Other things have disappeared and become harder to
>> find. My last straw was last night, when one of our community members
>> came by with a simple need, to file and hacksaw something. We found
>> one very large file but not the smaller file we used to have at some
>> point. We could not find any hacksaws at all. I know we had some
>> before. It felt very symbolic. How can a hackerspace not have a
>> hacksaw? We literally cannot hack!
>>
>> Personally, having all of these different elements in one physical
>> space greatly increases the value of everything. While he was visiting
>> he told us about the exciting solar panel project he was working on,
>> and found potential leads for writing controller software for it. This
>> was a conversation that wouldn't have happened if the shop were
>> offsite, and I can't help but wonder how many more of these
>> interactions we miss out on, by not having a good enough shop area.
>>
>> While there are challenges to having sawdust and metal shavings in the
>> vicinity of laptops and food preparation, I think it's well worth
>> meeting them. Noisebridge has a wonderful shop area - at last month's
>> reprap building party, Miloh showed me some wonderful tools that had
>> stayed around since 2008! All they had to do was enclose it. I think
>> for our new space, an enclosed work area is a must. I'm afraid of
>> sawing anything at Sudo because it commits me to then spending 10
>> minutes trying to track dust down behind a thousand nooks & crannies.
>> And I'll still never get it all. People who came just to hack on some
>> Javscript will leave coughing and rightfully upset. We took the
>> cheap-upfront route, and we've been in debt ever since.
>>
>> Another example: our particle-board floor has been a huge limitation.
>> I can count a number of projects, including a metal-printing one,
>> which didn't happen or moved elsewhere because you just can't do it
>> safely over our floor. It's unsanitary, a dust/germ/toxin magnet, hard
>> to sweep, hard to vacuum, hard to find things you drop, easy to
>> dent... We could learn something from Double Union, a space that
>> recently opened in SF. When they rented their room, the very first
>> thing they did was tear out the carpet and seal the floor in hard
>> resin. Imagine the pain we would have avoided if we'd done that in our
>> current "Art Studio"! Well worth the money, IMO.
>>
>> Which, speaking of money, my observation is that a lot of people who
>> were involved in Sudo's early stages - 2011 & 2012 - were hoping for
>> the fab & maker angle, and were disappointed by our meager facilities
>> and started putting their money & energy elsewhere. I think reaching
>> out to this crowd should be a component of our reboot. Our values and
>> energy are so important - let's try this again. :)
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-steve
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