[sudo-discuss] Redirect of the "Gentrification" Thread into a more encompassing awareness.

Wed May 14 12:39:15 PDT 2014

Nimby ism is about protecting one's property rights by asserting authority in a locale. It's the ultimate in propertarianism. And, it's all the same. Valuing property or profit over life is a failure in my opinion. :-)

Have a great day!

Craig

On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Jehan Tremback <jehan.tremback at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Not sure what your angle on property rights is, but I will add that
> NIMBYism is about asserting control over other people's property, using
> imbalances and inefficiencies in the municipal zoning system.
> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Craig Rouskey <craigrouskey at gmail.com>wrote:
>> Gentrification. It makes me think of that bench on Adeline that says "Do
>> something for Oakland or Leave."
>>
>> To me, doing something for the community - i.e. using our privilege to
>> educate and grow community across class, race and other social lines - acts
>> as a counterbalance to the gross non-aware/hyper-consumerist gentrification
>> that we see disintegrating communities throughout the bay.
>>
>> I could continue to ramble on (especially about people who tout "property
>> rights" then blame SF residents for their property-protective NIMBY
>> policies as a way to validate gentrification), but I won't. Not here.
>> Instead, I'll suggest that we all acknowledge that we live in a constantly
>> growing and changing place whose face changes simply by the amount of money
>> thrown at it...really, it's as bad as Liberace. We have these internal
>> conversations and the truth is, it's not us. We are not driving
>> gentrification. We are all doing what we have to do to stay in the bay
>> area. Some of us try to make the communities we exist in better, some of us
>> try to suck the life out of them.
>>
>>
>> That is all.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> To quote Janis Joplin "It's all the same fucking day, man."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah some of the non rent downsides of gentrification are worth
>>> enumerating because they are way more in our control. Here is the list I
>>> have experienced:
>>>
>>> Reduced neighborhood tolerance for semi-legitamate venues that have
>>> concerts and parties
>>> Increased enforcement of BS code violations like, "no working on your car
>>> in the street"
>>>
>>> Now you go, those are the only 2 I can think of.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 13, 2014, Tony Barreca <tony.barreca at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> With all respect, Oren, limiting a discussion of gentrification to rent
>>>> levels strikes me as a bit reductionist.  It a gnarly, complex problem,
>>>> seems to me, and rather the antithesis of taking the "...thread to a more
>>>> encompassing awareness..."  I.e., seems less encompassing, and considerably
>>>> so.
>>>>
>>>> Whether or not it's appropriate for this list I'll leave for others to
>>>> decide, but I do have $0.02 to contribute on that point: I've seen lots of
>>>> other discussions over the past 2 years on this that were at least as
>>>> inappropriate, if not more so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> is this discussion appropriate to this list?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> would be a great discussion for
>>>>> http://oaklandwiki.org/What_should_we_do_about_gentrification%3Fand/or
>>>>> http://oaklandwiki.org/gentrification
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> i think talking about stemming price inflation altogether inevitably
>>>>>> redirects to monetary policy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> couldn't find consistent info on "anti-fnord".  why don't you fill us
>>>>>> in?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> on May 13, 2014, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >Make sure Oakland builds fast enough to absorb new arrivals. >>On
>>>>>> Tuesday, May 13, 2014, Oren Beck <orenbeck at gmail.com> wrote:>>There's
>>>>>> a set of presumptions that can inherently defy our best efforts at
>>>>>> redirection>even when we can offer concrete factual refutations. >>
>>>>>> I unhesitatingly use the phrase "Breaking Set&Setting" as a most apt
>>>>>> one,  Call it>an "Anti-Fnord! so to speak... Do look up the ancestry of the
>>>>>> terms if they're not>old friends:)> >
>>>>>> Summary- We've a set and setting  that demands inflation of rents as
>>>>>> if it were desirable,>or even mandatory. the end result is inevitable yet
>>>>>> NOT mandatory.  Can we discuss>strategies to fix the Rent Problem? >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> >>Oren Beck>>816.632.3695
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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