[sudo-discuss] Redirect of the "Gentrification" Thread into a more encompassing awareness.

[Jehan Tremback]

Not sure what your angle on property rights is, but I will add that
NIMBYism is about asserting control over other people's property, using
imbalances and inefficiencies in the municipal zoning system.


On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Craig Rouskey <craigrouskey at gmail.com>wrote:

> Gentrification. It makes me think of that bench on Adeline that says "Do
> something for Oakland or Leave."
>
> To me, doing something for the community - i.e. using our privilege to
> educate and grow community across class, race and other social lines - acts
> as a counterbalance to the gross non-aware/hyper-consumerist gentrification
> that we see disintegrating communities throughout the bay.
>
> I could continue to ramble on (especially about people who tout "property
> rights" then blame SF residents for their property-protective NIMBY
> policies as a way to validate gentrification), but I won't. Not here.
> Instead, I'll suggest that we all acknowledge that we live in a constantly
> growing and changing place whose face changes simply by the amount of money
> thrown at it...really, it's as bad as Liberace. We have these internal
> conversations and the truth is, it's not us. We are not driving
> gentrification. We are all doing what we have to do to stay in the bay
> area. Some of us try to make the communities we exist in better, some of us
> try to suck the life out of them.
>
>
> That is all.
>
> Craig
>
> To quote Janis Joplin "It's all the same fucking day, man."
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Yeah some of the non rent downsides of gentrification are worth
>> enumerating because they are way more in our control. Here is the list I
>> have experienced:
>>
>> Reduced neighborhood tolerance for semi-legitamate venues that have
>> concerts and parties
>> Increased enforcement of BS code violations like, "no working on your car
>> in the street"
>>
>> Now you go, those are the only 2 I can think of.
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 13, 2014, Tony Barreca <tony.barreca at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> With all respect, Oren, limiting a discussion of gentrification to rent
>>> levels strikes me as a bit reductionist.  It a gnarly, complex problem,
>>> seems to me, and rather the antithesis of taking the "...thread to a more
>>> encompassing awareness..."  I.e., seems less encompassing, and considerably
>>> so.
>>>
>>> Whether or not it's appropriate for this list I'll leave for others to
>>> decide, but I do have $0.02 to contribute on that point: I've seen lots of
>>> other discussions over the past 2 years on this that were at least as
>>> inappropriate, if not more so.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> is this discussion appropriate to this list?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> would be a great discussion for
>>>> http://oaklandwiki.org/What_should_we_do_about_gentrification%3Fand/or
>>>> http://oaklandwiki.org/gentrification
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> i think talking about stemming price inflation altogether inevitably
>>>>> redirects to monetary policy
>>>>>
>>>>> couldn't find consistent info on "anti-fnord".  why don't you fill us
>>>>> in?
>>>>>
>>>>> on May 13, 2014, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >Make sure Oakland builds fast enough to absorb new arrivals. >>On
>>>>> Tuesday, May 13, 2014, Oren Beck <orenbeck at gmail.com> wrote:>>There's
>>>>> a set of presumptions that can inherently defy our best efforts at
>>>>> redirection>even when we can offer concrete factual refutations. >>
>>>>> I unhesitatingly use the phrase "Breaking Set&Setting" as a most apt
>>>>> one,  Call it>an "Anti-Fnord! so to speak... Do look up the ancestry of the
>>>>> terms if they're not>old friends:)> >
>>>>> Summary- We've a set and setting  that demands inflation of rents as
>>>>> if it were desirable,>or even mandatory. the end result is inevitable yet
>>>>> NOT mandatory.  Can we discuss>strategies to fix the Rent Problem? >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> >>Oren Beck>>816.632.3695
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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