[sudo-discuss] Proposed changes to the articles of association

Thu May 15 00:01:03 PDT 2014

How about a nap pass?
On May 14, 2014 11:48 PM, "Marina Kukso" <marina.kukso at gmail.com> wrote:

> sounds good. something that might help in documentation is an explicit
> message on the application form (or wherever) that "membership is typically
> granted barring some serious circumstances or reservations and that you
> shouldn't take the application questions extremely seriously because you're
> worried it might hurt your chances of being accepted - just feel free to be
> honest." that wording's not very good, but i think you get the idea.
>
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> ah yes, I think the idea for that was to generally side on not specifying
>> too narrowly, but instead to use "human judgment over automation and
>> efficiency" and cultural protocol to navigate it. I think "serious issues"
>> is a metric we are giving to future sudo room members in order for them to
>> weigh heavily whether some issue that potentially prevents a member from
>> joining is in fact of a "serious" nature. I'm of the disposition this means
>> something that conflicts directly with sudo room's values and the articles
>> of association.
>>
>> I actually think this process could be fairly easy to go through that
>> doesn't need to be very intimidating. At the meeting tonight, everyone was
>> in favor of putting time into implementing a better experience for new
>> members so that this policy is clearly outlined and available in multiple
>> formats (paper, on the website, etc)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 11:15 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> thanks matt. i like both of the changed wordings that you've suggested.
>>> i'd be happy with either version.
>>>
>>> still wondering about the second issue - what "serious issues" might be
>>> and what the criteria are that the group would vote people up or down on.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Phil,
>>>>
>>>> I think nothing in this policy *prevents *tele-presence, in fact, I
>>>> think it would be prudent for a prospective member to, at the very least,
>>>> offer to attend the meeting virtually if they cannot be physically present.
>>>> Either way, the only requirement is the prospective member submits
>>>> something concrete, in writing (format unspecified, so digital text seems
>>>> fine).
>>>>
>>>> Marina,
>>>>
>>>> I have no strong feelings about the exact phrasing, I think those
>>>> questions were carried over from Jake's original(ish) proposal, maybe?
>>>> Marc, do you know where those questions came from?
>>>>
>>>> I do like the idea of asking questions to get three kinds of responses:
>>>> 1. A response about why they are interested, leaving the opportunity
>>>> for setting some context to joining.
>>>> 2. A response about what specifically they want to do (commonly folks
>>>> have particular projects or uses in mind as they get involved with sudo)
>>>> 2. A response about specifically how they see themselves contributing
>>>> to the community, as giving some sort contribution *is* an
>>>> expectation, but extremely open / liberal. I think "share" is a great term
>>>> to express this.
>>>>
>>>> I have no reason to think we should hang on to the question about
>>>> "hacking" in particular, maybe alternatives:
>>>>
>>>> #** What is your (pseudo)nym and/or name?
>>>> #** Why do you want to be a member of sudo room?
>>>> #** Do you happen to have something in mind that you would like to do
>>>> at sudo room?
>>>> #** Do you happen to have something in mind that you would like to
>>>> share with the sudo room community?
>>>>
>>>> That being said, I'd also be happy with the truncated version:
>>>>
>>>>  #** What is your (pseudo)nym and/or name?
>>>> #** Why do you want to be a member of sudo room?
>>>>
>>>> // Matt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> thanks and apologies that i haven't had a chance to be a part of this
>>>>> discussion until now. i have a few questions:
>>>>>
>>>>> - re: "What are you excited about hacking at sudo room?" & "What are
>>>>> you excited about sharing with sudo room?" i wonder what effect seeing
>>>>> these questions on the application would have for someone who's really new
>>>>> to the world of hacking and/or someone who might not identify as a hacker
>>>>> (ie, someone who would consider themselves a "beginner" or "just learning"
>>>>> - as many of our members, including myself, do). like if you're not sure
>>>>> what you're interested on hacking...or if you're not sure what you have to
>>>>> share with sudo room. is anyone else concerned that these questions might
>>>>> be intimidating to newcomers? (i ask this genuinely). also, what happens if
>>>>> a prospective member puts on their application "i don't know" or "i'm not
>>>>> sure" for these questions? would that affect their application?
>>>>>
>>>>> this leads to my second question:
>>>>>
>>>>> Under "initial pondering" it says "#** The intent is for it to be
>>>>> very easy for new members to join, so only very serious concerns should be
>>>>> brought up." what would a "serious concern" be? also there isn't really any
>>>>> indication like..what the yes/no on a person's membership request is based
>>>>> on. does the content of what people put in their application matter?
>>>>>
>>>>> finally, what do folks think is gained by the hacking & sharing q's?
>>>>> do you think that you wouldn't get enough information from "what is
>>>>> your pseudonym/name" and "why do you want to be a member of sudo room?"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Marc Juul <juul at labitat.dk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> These are the proposed changes brought up at the current sudo room
>>>>>> meeting. We will attempt to consense on this at the sudo room meeting on
>>>>>> Wednesday the 21st of May at 7 pm in sudo room.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ===Section 2.1 Qualifications for Membership===
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Successfully completing the process for becoming a member, below:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ====Section 2.1.0 Process for becoming a member====
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #'''Declaration of Intent to Join'''
>>>>>> #* To become a member, a person must submit a brief written or
>>>>>> spoken "Declaration of Intent to Join" where they answer the
>>>>>> following questions:
>>>>>> #** What is your (pseudo)nym and/or name?
>>>>>> #** Why do you want to be a member of sudo room?
>>>>>> #** What are you excited about hacking at sudo room?
>>>>>> #** What are you excited about sharing with sudo room?
>>>>>> #'''Initial Pondering'''
>>>>>> #* It is only possible to become a member at the weekly sudo room
>>>>>> meeting. Prospective members should attend if possible but can submit a
>>>>>> written declaration if they are not able to attend in person.
>>>>>> #* At the sudo room weekly meeting, every prospective member must
>>>>>> leave the room while the existing members have a chance to bring up any
>>>>>> concerns or reasons why the prospective member(s) should not be
>>>>>> allowed membership (referred to as the "Initial Pondering").
>>>>>> #** The intent is for it to be very easy for new members to join, so
>>>>>> only very serious concerns should be brought up.
>>>>>> #** If any existing member objects to a prospective new member
>>>>>> becoming a member, and this cannot be resolved through discussion, then the
>>>>>> prospective member will not be allowed membership.
>>>>>> #** Unreasonable or frequent blocking of new members by an existing
>>>>>> member is grounds for immediate termination of membership based on a 2/3
>>>>>> vote.
>>>>>> #*  Upon completing the "Initial Pondering", such prospectivemembers must be communicated to the sudo room mailing list within 24 hours,
>>>>>> including their "Declaration of Intent to Join".
>>>>>> #'''Extended Pondering'''
>>>>>> #* After the Initial Pondering, if there are no objections, there
>>>>>> will be one week for sudo room members to raise objections as to why the
>>>>>> prospective member should not be allowed to join (referred to as the
>>>>>> "Extended Pondering").
>>>>>> #* If there are no objections raised during the "Extended Pondering", the
>>>>>> prospective member will become a member.
>>>>>> #** The intention is to provide sufficient time to ensure all
>>>>>> concerns of those unable to attend the meeting may be heard.
>>>>>> #* The new member will be added to the membership list and given
>>>>>> access to desired and relevant assets and services of sudo room.
>>>>>> #* No announcement of this change of status after the "Extended
>>>>>> Pondering" is necessary.
>>>>>>
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