[sudo-discuss] WOSP – City of Oakland’s Plan for Gentrification: A Target For Anti-Displacement Activity : Indybay

[Marcus Owens]

I don't know about the bay area but the phenomenon of luxury buildings that
are scarcely inhabited is a function of the current market based in finance
and speculation:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/12/nyregion/paying-top-dollar-for-condos-and-leaving-them-empty.html?_r=0

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/02/world/europe/a-slice-of-london-so-exclusive-even-the-owners-are-visitors.html

Just pointing out that high-end development shouldn't be expected to
trickle down, at least within our lifetimes, or without radical political
change. These sorts of buildings won't be going up in West Oakland, though.

m

On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Jehan Tremback <jehan.tremback at gmail.com>wrote:

> Marcus- Do you have some examples of these uninhabited luxury projects in
> the Bay Area?
>
>
> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Marcus Owens <owens.marcus at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Suburban living is not conducive generating value in an
>> innovation/cognitive economy. The suburbs, and the externality of time
>> spent in commute, like increasing privatization in other spheres, will be
>> the burden of the poor in the future.
>>
>> Just saying "rich people should live in the suburbs" is not only dumb but
>> it obscures the actual dynamics of what is driving contemporary urban
>> development. The mission was working class because a large labor force was
>> needed in the nearby working waterfront and industrial zones. That mode of
>> production is gone and isn't coming back.
>>
>> That's why as Sonja says we need to use the excess capital now to build
>> as much housing and infrastructure as possible in ways that is socially and
>> environmentally acceptable. Unlike Sonja I don't think speculative luxury
>> projects trickle down, but are rather flipped from investor to investor and
>> never inhabited.
>>
>> m
>>
>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Forcing people into the suburbs is bad for those people, and bad for
>>> the environment. If you're anti urban development, you're pro-freeway."
>>>
>>> I'm pro subway, we should have an actual one in the bay area. at this
>>> point rich people should be living in the suburbs not in the cities. I mean
>>> this is a tech boom. Which means for most jobs that are making a ton a
>>> money you can work anywhere, so work from your swanky apartment in Concord
>>> or Walnut Creek, not in The Mission. Makes sense to me.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 4:41 PM, The Doctor <drwho at virtadpt.net> wrote:
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>>>> On 05/17/2014 12:17 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote:
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>>>> > The causation is backwards here. The rich people are coming/ here
>>>> > no matter what. THATS WHY developers and cities want to build. They
>>>> > see an
>>>>
>>>> The argument can be made that people are coming here because they can
>>>> afford it, and they think that starting here will give them a chance
>>>> to get rich.
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