[sudo-discuss] WOSP – City of Oakland’s Plan for Gentrification: A Target For Anti-Displacement Activity : Indybay

[Jehan Tremback]

Marcus- Do you have some examples of these uninhabited luxury projects in
the Bay Area?


On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Marcus Owens <owens.marcus at gmail.com>wrote:

> Suburban living is not conducive generating value in an
> innovation/cognitive economy. The suburbs, and the externality of time
> spent in commute, like increasing privatization in other spheres, will be
> the burden of the poor in the future.
>
> Just saying "rich people should live in the suburbs" is not only dumb but
> it obscures the actual dynamics of what is driving contemporary urban
> development. The mission was working class because a large labor force was
> needed in the nearby working waterfront and industrial zones. That mode of
> production is gone and isn't coming back.
>
> That's why as Sonja says we need to use the excess capital now to build as
> much housing and infrastructure as possible in ways that is socially and
> environmentally acceptable. Unlike Sonja I don't think speculative luxury
> projects trickle down, but are rather flipped from investor to investor and
> never inhabited.
>
> m
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> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com> wrote:
>
>> "Forcing people into the suburbs is bad for those people, and bad for the
>> environment. If you're anti urban development, you're pro-freeway."
>>
>> I'm pro subway, we should have an actual one in the bay area. at this
>> point rich people should be living in the suburbs not in the cities. I mean
>> this is a tech boom. Which means for most jobs that are making a ton a
>> money you can work anywhere, so work from your swanky apartment in Concord
>> or Walnut Creek, not in The Mission. Makes sense to me.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 4:41 PM, The Doctor <drwho at virtadpt.net> wrote:
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>>> On 05/17/2014 12:17 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote:
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>>> > The causation is backwards here. The rich people are coming/ here
>>> > no matter what. THATS WHY developers and cities want to build. They
>>> > see an
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>>> The argument can be made that people are coming here because they can
>>> afford it, and they think that starting here will give them a chance
>>> to get rich.
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