[sudo-discuss] Fwd: Today 4/4/15: Pidgen and Daren have been temp banned for safer spaces policy violations

WIld Cat wildcatofthewoods at gmail.com
Tue Apr 7 03:39:10 PDT 2015 

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From: WIld Cat <wildcatofthewoods at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Today 4/4/15: Pidgen and Daren have been temp
banned for safer spaces policy violations
To: Hol Gaskill <hol at gaskill.com>
Cc: Rachel Wolfsohn <rawjnana at gmail.com>, "mediation at omnicommons.org" <
mediation at omnicommons.org>, cdc at lists.omnicommons.org


 "* If you don't believe people can change, you don't believe in RJ or
TJ, **and
I would LOVE to hear your alternative**to my eyes the only other options
are punishment or annihilation, like the state does,** if you're really
radical, you'll seek alternative forms of resolution** besides exile,
punishment and "training" people, *
*whenever possible.  I do believe people can change but sometimes you need
to draw a line and make sure that the mediation process isn't being abused
by the perpetrator. Comparing my forms of dealing with accountability to
the State and it's prison/jail industrial complex is gravely offensive to
me. I have been to jail before for being homeless - ( 3 charges of
tresspassing) - stopping cops from beating people up or using a car to
crash into a crowd  -( 2 charges  obstructing a peace officer)- getting
crashed into by a cop - (assault on an officer- charges dropped) stopping
the earth from being destroyed  and otherwise  homeless peoples  camps by
blockade ( 2 charges obstruction of a roadway) Every time was arrested I
endured beatings as well as mental and once extreme physical torture.
Comparing my process to such a brutal process as the state's is really
fucked up.*

NOT ONCE have I seen you actually pursue mediation.  No one has asked me to
attend a meeting or anything but when ever people have wanted to talk to me
I have stopped what I was doing to talk about accountability issues. This
is pursuing mediation. I also took the ban proposals to the sudo meetings
and have an informal mediation with FNB Joe.

*IN FACT WildCAt is currently refusing to participate in more than one
mediation, **and while in some cases i actually agree with that other
person being banned, and see the issues clear** my problem wtih this is not
about that person being banned,** I often think WildCat is right,*
* but it's about THE PROCESS AND RESPECTING IT Not wanting to engage with
people I do not feel safe around is not failing to mediate. Like I have
said no one asked me to go to a follow up meeeting.*

*You Still Have To Go To Mediation **In Some Case In Your Life,  Why would
i be talking on this list if i wasnt interested in mediation*
*If You Recognize The Process At All - * Rachel I followed process by
emailing y'all and I followed the steps of the Safer Spaces policy:

"These are some examples of unacceptable behavior. This list is by no means
exhaustive. Harassment includes but is not limited to:

   - *Deliberate intimidation - Babs and I *
   - *Deliberate misgendering or use of ‘dead’ or rejected names - Calling
   me a dude and man with aggressive and accentuaded tone implying it was
   intentional misgendering*
   - *Threats of violence - Telling me that we should walk a couple of
   blocks to settle it like adults implying he wanted to fight.*
   - *Gratuitous or off-topic sexual images or behaviour in spaces where
   they’re not appropriate - Telling me he liked phone sex the yelling at me
   about how I needed to get off of my phone in sudo room. rather than asking
   me calmly,*

4.‎ ‏Consequences‭ ‬of‭ ‬Unacceptable‭ ‬Behavior

Unacceptable‭ ‬behavior‭ ‬from‭ ‬any‭one at the Omni,‭ ‬including‭
‬sponsors‭ ‬and‭ ‬those‭ ‬with‭ ‬decision-making‭ ‬authority,‭ ‬will‭ ‬not‭
‬be‭ ‬tolerated.

Anyone‭ ‬asked‭ ‬to‭ ‬stop‭ ‬unacceptable‭ ‬behavior‭ ‬is‭ ‬expected‭ ‬to‭
‬comply‭ ‬immediately. If‭ ‬someone‭ ‬engages‭ ‬in‭ ‬unacceptable‭
‬behavior,‭* anyone* at the Omni‬‭ should feel empowered to take action to
address the situation (i.e., talk to the person involved, point out violent
or threatening behavior, *ask them to leave the space*, etc.). In cases
where someone's safety is at risk, a temporary ban may be put in place
until the Omni's conflict resolution process can be followed to resolution.
‬


5.‎ ‏If‭ ‬You‭ ‬Witness‭ ‬or‭ ‬Are‭ ‬Subject‭ ‬to‭ ‬Unacceptable‭ ‬Behavior

This section needs to be fleshed out more - please see it as a draft in
progress.

   - *Everyone should feel empowered to confront aggressive individuals,
   but we recommend that you do not approach a potentially violent conflict
   without another community member, preferably a core organizer, co-present.*

_______________________________

*If You're Willing To Work On It " -  I am working my ass off on it.*

*BTW I talked to people who lived at Hellarity (susie and enola) whom
confirmed that Darin was asked to leave multiple times for sexually
innapripriate behaivor but keeped showing up. *

*Also he was banned from the  G-spot Squat immediately after for sexually
grinding on/groping a person during a party which Susie Q and I were at.
(more that I have not talked to) *



On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:56 AM, WIld Cat <wildcatofthewoods at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I think Rachel is\ blowing my proposals out of proportion by saying
>
> "*What would you do with them? *
> *Put them all in one country? *
> *Kind of like a concentration of them?*
> * Like a camp? Kill them all off? **All bad ideas." *
>
>  I am not saying he is banned I am discussing proposals for a ban and a
> constructive resolution. I as a non-member can still call on the safer
> space policy to have someone temp banned from the space to establish
> safety. No one has asked that I go to a mediation meeting I just said that
> I didn't want to talk to any of these people directly.
>
>
>  "* If you don't believe people can change, you don't believe in RJ or
> TJ, *
> *and I would LOVE to hear your alternative*
> *to my eyes the only other options are punishment or annihilation, like
> the state does,*
> * if you're really radical, you'll seek alternative forms of resolution*
> * besides exile, punishment and "training" people, *
> *whenever possible. *
>
> *NOT ONCE have I seen you actually pursue mediation. *
>
> *IN FACT WildCAt is currently refusing to participate in more than one
> mediation, *
> *and while in some cases i actually agree with that other person being
> banned, and see the issues clear*
> * my problem wtih this is not about that person being banned,*
> * I often think WildCat is right,*
> * but it's about THE PROCESS AND RESPECTING IT*
>
> *You Still Have To Go To Mediation *
> *In Some Case In Your Life, *
> *If You Recognize The Process At All*
>
> *If You're Willing To Work On It, "*
>
>
>  Rachel I followed process by emailing y'all and I followed the steps of
> the Safer Spaces policy:
>
> "These are some examples of unacceptable behavior. This list is by no
> means exhaustive. Harassment includes but is not limited to:
>
>    - *Deliberate intimidation - Babs and I *
>    - *Deliberate misgendering or use of ‘dead’ or rejected names -
>    Calling me a dude and man with aggressive and accentuaded tone implying it
>    was intentional misgendering*
>    - *Threats of violence - Telling me that we should walk a couple of
>    blocks to settle it like adults implying he wanted to fight.*
>    - *Gratuitous or off-topic sexual images or behaviour in spaces where
>    they’re not appropriate - Telling me he liked phone sex the yelling at me
>    about how I needed to get off of my phone in sudo room. rather than asking
>    me calmly,*
>
> 4.‎ ‏Consequences‭ ‬of‭ ‬Unacceptable‭ ‬Behavior
>
> Unacceptable‭ ‬behavior‭ ‬from‭ ‬any‭one at the Omni,‭ ‬including‭
> ‬sponsors‭ ‬and‭ ‬those‭ ‬with‭ ‬decision-making‭ ‬authority,‭ ‬will‭ ‬not‭
> ‬be‭ ‬tolerated.
>
> Anyone‭ ‬asked‭ ‬to‭ ‬stop‭ ‬unacceptable‭ ‬behavior‭ ‬is‭ ‬expected‭ ‬to‭
> ‬comply‭ ‬immediately. If‭ ‬someone‭ ‬engages‭ ‬in‭ ‬unacceptable‭
> ‬behavior,‭* anyone* at the Omni‬‭ should feel empowered to take action
> to address the situation (i.e., talk to the person involved, point out
> violent or threatening behavior, *ask them to leave the space*, etc.). In
> cases where someone's safety is at risk, a temporary ban may be put in
> place until the Omni's conflict resolution process can be followed to
> resolution. ‬
>
>
> 5.‎ ‏If‭ ‬You‭ ‬Witness‭ ‬or‭ ‬Are‭ ‬Subject‭ ‬to‭ ‬Unacceptable‭ ‬Behavior
>
> This section needs to be fleshed out more - please see it as a draft in
> progress.
>
>    - *Everyone should feel empowered to confront aggressive individuals,
>    but we recommend that you do not approach a potentially violent conflict
>    without another community member, preferably a core organizer, co-present.*
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 3:25 PM, <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
>
>> friendly reminder - our conflict resolution process was born out of a
>> desire to keep conflicts from consuming the time and energy of the whole
>> community, especially those that are not involved in the conflict and do
>> not have bandwidth to help mediate as an impartial party - this includes
>> general meetings and discussion forums
>>
>>
>> On 2015-04-06 14:02, Rachel Wolfsohn wrote:
>>
>>  I'm sorry, Torrie, I really am....sudoconsensus may be needed?
>>> On Mon, Apr 06, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Torrie Fischer <
>>> tdfischer at hackerbots.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>  This is very not important to me because I don't want to read this on
>>>> sudo
>>>> discuss so I'm unsubscribing from sudo discuss for a while because
>>>> everyone
>>>> keeps including sudo-discuss as if it somehow makes everything better.
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, April 06, 2015 11:59:40 AM Rachel Wolfsohn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is very important to me, because I said I wouldn't keep including
>>>>> sudo
>>>>> discuss, and now i'm going back on that
>>>>> but WildCat does keep including sudo-discuss,
>>>>> so I feel like I can't leave it at some long email to one side bias,
>>>>> whether mine or not
>>>>> so I'm responding to sudo discuss
>>>>> to be heard by the group who is already hearing this
>>>>>
>>>>> sigh, i'm sorry, but I'm upset now....
>>>>>
>>>>> *People NEED to be given a chance to change. *
>>>>> *Just because you knew someone for a long time and saw problematic
>>>>> behavior
>>>>> before doesn't mean they can't come to a new place, *
>>>>> *and a reformed community, *
>>>>> *where they can try to learn and grow. *
>>>>>
>>>>> *If people are not given a chance to grow what would you do with them?*
>>>>>
>>>>> * If you don't believe people can change, you don't believe in RJ or
>>>>> TJ, *
>>>>> *and I would LOVE to hear your alternative*
>>>>> *to my eyes the only other options are punishment or annihilation,
>>>>> like the
>>>>> state does,*
>>>>> * if you're really radical, you'll seek alternative forms of
>>>>> resolution*
>>>>> * besides exile, punishment and "training" people, *
>>>>> *whenever possible. *
>>>>>
>>>>> *NOT ONCE have I seen you actually pursue mediation. *
>>>>>
>>>>> *IN FACT WildCAt is currently refusing to participate in more than one
>>>>> mediation, *
>>>>> *and while in some cases i actually agree with that other person being
>>>>> banned, and see the issues clear*
>>>>> * my problem wtih this is not about that person being banned,*
>>>>> * I often think WildCat is right,*
>>>>> * but it's about THE PROCESS AND RESPECTING IT*
>>>>>
>>>>> *You Still Have To Go To Mediation *
>>>>> *In Some Case In Your Life, *
>>>>> *If You Recognize The Process At All*
>>>>>
>>>>> *If You're Willing To Work On It, *
>>>>>
>>>>> *The Refusal Of Mediation Is There To Keep People Safe*
>>>>> * In Dire Circumstances *
>>>>> *Not In Any Case You Want*
>>>>> * And Every Case All The Time*
>>>>> * Because You Feel Like It And It's Your Privilege*
>>>>>
>>>>> *I don't feel like you're respecting that process....*
>>>>>
>>>>> PERSONALLY I feel:
>>>>> Exile is not a real option for the world. If someone is continuously
>>>>> exiled
>>>>> and not educated and transforming, they will have no where else to go.
>>>>> This
>>>>> is part of the world, you can't just close yourself off from it and
>>>>> ignore
>>>>> people
>>>>>
>>>>> *If you want it to get better, really get better, judging people and
>>>>> pushing them out is not the way to actually help it*
>>>>>
>>>>> *What would you do with them? *
>>>>> *Put them all in one country? *
>>>>> *Kind of like a concentration of them?*
>>>>> * Like a camp? Kill them all off? **All bad ideas. *
>>>>>
>>>>> *We need to help people grow, and *
>>>>> *if you consider yourself an organizer *
>>>>> *or a helper of the world*
>>>>> * it IS your job to help people grow a*
>>>>> *nd give people another chance, *
>>>>> *provided they seek new conditions that will faciiltate growth*
>>>>>
>>>>> *It has to come from them. Yes.*
>>>>> *And it is coming from Darin, *
>>>>> *however slowly he's learning*
>>>>>
>>>>> Btw "WildCat" You are not yet a member of sudo yet.
>>>>> And you're scaring people,
>>>>> with all your bans in a row all of a sudden,
>>>>>
>>>>> now that you think you have power
>>>>>
>>>>> *i'm not quitting, but this email put me back over, i'm taking another
>>>>> break.*
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Cere Misc <cere.misc at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> PLEASE TAKE THIS OFF THE SUDO-DISCUSS LIST!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:32 AM, WIld Cat <
>>>>>> wildcatofthewoods at gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also with that one month ban I feel that from then on there would
>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>> be zero tolerance for any of these behaviors to continue. Last time
>>>>>>> I saw
>>>>>>> him he challenged me to a fight by saying " do you want to walk a
>>>>>>> couple
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> blocks away and handle this like an adult" and my response was to
>>>>>>> walk
>>>>>>> away.. someone brought up to me that I was causing drama by drawing
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> line with these people but what folks need to understand is that
>>>>>>> each of
>>>>>>> these people have been going through conflict mediation in this
>>>>>>> space so
>>>>>>> the drama is theirs not mine. I should not be the one to blame for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> taking a stance against the problems these people are causing.
>>>>>>> Though to
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> accountable in dealing with peoples issues I will gather more
>>>>>>> members of
>>>>>>> the space to address them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, April 6, 2015, WIld Cat <wildcatofthewoods at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So I have known Darin for years and he has been called out for all
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> this behavior before and still hasn't learned. In terms of him
>>>>>>>> misgendering
>>>>>>>> me it seemed malicious because he accentuated " man" there were
>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>> witnesses to his extremely aggressive behavior that was a defensive
>>>>>>>> response to me calmly asking why he was yelling at Babs. sexual
>>>>>>>> harassment
>>>>>>>> is not OK. I don't think you can speak for the other people who have
>>>>>>>> called
>>>>>>>> him out for inappropriate flirting. I had the conflict mediated by
>>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> but still just acts the same to different people. I would propose a
>>>>>>>> month
>>>>>>>> ban at least so he gets that its not being accountable will have
>>>>>>>> serious
>>>>>>>> consequences.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 5, 2015, Rachel Wolfsohn <rawjnana at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is the last email I will include sudodisxuss on for this
>>>>>>>>> thread...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Darin is currently undergoing mediation, and should be given the
>>>>>>>>> chance
>>>>>>>>> to do so before a ban goes through.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have a blocking concern for such a ban on darin....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My belief that darin can change enough, however slowly, is
>>>>>>>>> justified
>>>>>>>>> and potent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have seen he already has. In front of me at least, he no longer
>>>>>>>>> misgenders anyone, including those ppl he previously had, after we
>>>>>>>>> discussed it one night. Even if he's pissed at them. An immediate
>>>>>>>>> improvement from the heart and higher self layered under psychic
>>>>>>>>> shit
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> we all have to deal with just like him, is what I see...He is
>>>>>>>>> actively
>>>>>>>>> working, works hard in general and physically protects ppl from
>>>>>>>>> harassment
>>>>>>>>> daily.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Misgendering:
>>>>>>>>> I too have been editing "he" for "them" with you Wildcat, because
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> gender pronoun is recent news to me as well as to many others.
>>>>>>>>> I strive to use They, bc of respect for trans identity in general,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> ALSO camaraderie with you.
>>>>>>>>> But it takes a little time, and it is in good faith with continuous
>>>>>>>>> editing on my part, as it is for others.
>>>>>>>>> I'm really sorry you are hurt by misgendering and will do my best
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> correct the instances I witness. As I'm sure Darin will too, now
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> information is available
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sexual Language:
>>>>>>>>> Darin is working on this too. I have twice hung out with darin and
>>>>>>>>> neded to comment on his comments, asking him to hold his tongue,
>>>>>>>>> bc it
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> TMI about his sexual thoughts.
>>>>>>>>> It was not safe space language, and I asked him to.hold his
>>>>>>>>> tongue, but
>>>>>>>>> not an implication of action either, more like expression.
>>>>>>>>> Without FAIL he immediately apologizes and aims to hold back such
>>>>>>>>> comments. He is actively learning what to reserve to his private
>>>>>>>>> thoughts
>>>>>>>>> and I appreciate it from the bottom of my heart...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thus, I have a blocking.concern for this ban suggested for Darin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Love, seriously, love,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 05, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Torrie Fischer <
>>>>>>>>> tdfischer at hackerbots.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Theres community issues, then theres "issues that involve the
>>>>>>>>> hundreds
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> people subscribed to sudo-discuss".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is not one of those issues. I have no involvement with this. I
>>>>>>>>> don't want
>>>>>>>>> to get involved with this. I'd honestly rather not hear about who
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> fighting
>>>>>>>>> who, or see people tearing down each other in public. I'd rather
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>> hack a
>>>>>>>>> thing and assume that Sudo Room is a happy cheery place that has
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> shit
>>>>>>>>> together and everyone gets along.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My Ƀ0.02.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 04, 2015 03:37:39 PM WIld Cat wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > These are community issues not personal issues.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Tracy Jacobs <
>>>>>>>>> kinetical at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > > Sudoers,
>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > Respectfully can I suggest that you find another way to address
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> issues of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > > a personal nature and character assassinations or public
>>>>>>>>> shaming
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > > than
>>>>>>>>> > > this public mailing list? Why anyone would want to go to Sudo
>>>>>>>>> room
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > > reading this mailing list is beyond my comprehension. And it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> really is a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > > great place. Can anyone think of another venue for these types
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> > > discussions?
>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > Tracy
>>>>>>>>> > > On Apr 4, 2015, at 2:41 PM, WIld Cat <
>>>>>>>>> wildcatofthewoods at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > > Daren returned to the space about 20 mins after trying to
>>>>>>>>> re-enter
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > > said to me " Do you want to go a couplwe blocks away from here
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> handle
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > > this like an adult."
>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > Pidgen is claiming that I threatened her and I did tell her
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "you need
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > > to chill out or some shit is going to happen" but I also
>>>>>>>>> clarified
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > > saying "I am not threatening you with any form of violence."
>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > Darin is claiming that Babs sexually assaulted someone but
>>>>>>>>> Darin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> did not
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > > give any details of what happened.
>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 2:00 PM, WIld Cat <
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wildcatofthewoods at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >> Today Pidgen was asked to leave in violation of the safer
>>>>>>>>> spaces
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> policy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >> on an admitted account of sexual assault in the past as well
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >> behaviors of harassment. Daren was asked to leave in
>>>>>>>>> violation of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >> safer
>>>>>>>>> > >> spaces policy by aggressive behavior (aggressive swearing,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> intentional
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >> misgendering, inappropriate sexual comments (Told me in an
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> aggressive way
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >> that he liked phone sex, than began to yell at me.) He has
>>>>>>>>> had a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> history
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >> of
>>>>>>>>> > >> being banned from spaces for similar behaviors of sexual
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> harassment and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >> inappropriate behavior.
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> I would like to begin a mediation process for Daren and I do
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >> safe with him being in the space during such process.
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> To my knowledge there is an ongoing mediation between Pidgen
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Centi.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >> that Pidgen has allegedly violated due to harassing behavior.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pidgen has
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >> been banned from several other radical spaces for entitlement
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> problems -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >> theft - aggressive behaivor - accountability issues.
>>>>>>>>> > >> I do not feel safe in the presences of Pidgen and would call
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> > >> the
>>>>>>>>> > >> community to permanently ban Pidgen.
>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> > > sudo-discuss mailing list
>>>>>>>>> > > sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org
>>>>>>>>> > > https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>>>>>>>>
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