[sudo-discuss] cat-n-mouse with omni doors

Sat Aug 22 09:40:01 PDT 2015

I believe this is the current policy (unless something has changed in the
last month - obviously the bookstore is no longer in operation):

*Currently, only key-holding members of member collectives are granted
24-hr access to our space. Key-holding members are not required to open the
space to non-members at any time, and all non-members are required to be
guests of key-holding members when they are in the space outside of
scheduled events and the bookstore's general operating hours which are
Tuesday - Sunday from 12pm-6pm. *

This means that if you, as a key-holding member leave the space *at any
time* and there are no other key-holding members willing to vouch for
non-key holding members that may be present at the time, everyone must
leave.

On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 3:36 AM, Karissa McKelvey <
karissa.mckelvey at gmail.com> wrote:

> Many other spaces have a rule where non members are only allowed after a
> certain time when invited/vouched for by a member.
>
> Once, I've been kicked out of noise bridge around 11pm cause the last
> member was leaving. The omni is big by comparison, so it's harder to tell
> if there's other people in the building.
>
> Having a rule that  there's always a member present and the last one
> out does a sweep before they leave, it would be in line with other places
> I've l seen
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, August 22, 2015, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Do think it might be worth considering a "no non-members after midnight"
>> rule? With an exception for events,  or if a member explicitly vouched for
>> them.
>>
>> If we can do the building sweep before any sleepers are fully settled in,
>> and while there are still enough members around, we shouldn't have to get
>> into that kind of situation.
>>
>> Face it, if there are still non-members around after midnight, chances
>> are they're hoping to spend the night. ..
>>
>> Patrik
>> On Aug 21, 2015 11:49 AM, "Robb Anonymous" <sf99er at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> thank you, patrik. it seems to be worse in the mornings & late at night
>>> when few or no members are around. additionally, it appears as though
>>> people are not clearing the building at night. last night, matthew, who was
>>> upstairs on his laptop came down to sudo/ccl & found someone sleeping in
>>> ccl. brenden, kelly & romi were the last ones i saw in sudo as i was
>>> leaving. matthew was unable to wake the guy up without physically shaking
>>> him, which he was too scared to do alone.
>>>
>>> for the record, i will continue to clear the building if i am the 2nd to
>>> or last person to leave
>>> ~r
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 1:50 AM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for your efforts, Robb. Just so you know - it's hugely
>>>> appreciated!.
>>>>
>>>> I try to do my best checking the doors as well. I think the situation -
>>>> at least in the evenings when I'm around - seems to have gotten much better
>>>> lately than it was in the past. I'm not in as often as you are, but I'll
>>>> try to step up my efforts when I am.
>>>>
>>>> Let's definitely kick out non-members who consistently and
>>>> intentionally violate our rules. Our desire to show hospitality to
>>>> non-members should not outweigh the emotional well-being of our members.
>>>>
>>>> Patrik
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 12:41 AM, Robb Anonymous <sf99er at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> jerome is not a member of any collective. i failed to mention that
>>>>> jackson, today, called me a "fucking whitey" after i told him for the 2nd
>>>>> time today that he shouldn't be extending the deadbolt to keep the front
>>>>> door open.
>>>>>
>>>>> for the record, i am totally burnt on constantly checking and
>>>>> locking/closing the doors and will no longer be checking them regularly as
>>>>> the practice has completely frustrated me and is making me out to appear as
>>>>> though i am racist against black people.
>>>>>
>>>>> hopefully someone else will step forward to constantly secure the
>>>>> building but i am currently and completely burnt on it and taking it too
>>>>> personally and it is eating up all my time and energy.
>>>>>
>>>>> good luck
>>>>>
>>>>> ~r
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 11:54 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <
>>>>> patrikd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is Jerome a member of any of the collectives? We should definitely
>>>>>> NOT be giving out keys to people who are not members and who already have a
>>>>>> track record of being irresponsible with door access.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrik
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 7:01 PM, niki <niki.shelley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe Jerome should be given a key along with an orientation as to
>>>>>>> the responsibilities of key-holders?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Robb Anonymous <sf99er at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i am really tired of playing cat-n-mouse w/the outside doors at the
>>>>>>>> omni.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a day or two ago i told jerome that i would be moving for a
>>>>>>>> permanent ban on whoever i discovered was propping the doors open.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> after i let jerome in the building this morning, i discovered that
>>>>>>>> jerome had left the shattuck side/ballroom door open so i asked him "what
>>>>>>>> the fuck" he left the door open for.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> rather than answer my question he took offense at my tone
>>>>>>>> (understandably as i was angry) got in my face pointing and tried to start
>>>>>>>> a fight with me with
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i get that jerome helps out around here but leaving the doors open
>>>>>>>> for anyone to walk in at anytime completely negates the occasional floor
>>>>>>>> mopping that he does, imho.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i will not be letting jerome in anytime soon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~r
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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