[sudo-discuss] cat-n-mouse with omni doors

[Robb Anonymous]

considering that matt left last night with brenden (non-member) still in
the building,
ian moon was sleeping when i came in around 8am or 9am & was hostile when
joe woke him,
jerome was hostile when romy asked him & ian moon to leave two nights ago
(i was very grateful that she engaged him rather than me);
i too think that the space should be cleared around midnight unless a
member is explicitly vouching for someone.

it seems that very few people are even willing to clear the space in the
wee hours...it is kinda spooky, i guess
~r

On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Robb Anonymous <sf99er at gmail.com> wrote:

> *all non-members are required to be guests of key-holding members when
> they are in the space outside of scheduled events*
> is simply not being enforced by anyone, if it was, i doubt we would not be
> having this discussion.
>
> 11pm or 12am seemed like a good idea until i realized it implies
> non-members are allowed in the space w/o being sponsored by a member
> anytime before then
>
> unfortunately this is primarily a sudoroom problem as we are usually the
> last ones to leave
>
> furthermore, jackson sits by the front door all day and lets* anyone *who
> rings in without even speaking to them when he isn't leaving the door open.
> max from fat beats lets him in yet i've never seen him ask jackson to leave
> when he does
>
> it seems to me that by making exceptions to our rules for certain
> individuals the exceptions become the rule for all. i am concerned that
> fewer people will want to become responsible members of our collectives if
> we maintain the current all access policy which clearly subverts the
> collectively agreed upon policy. interestingly, phat beats has, to my
> knowledge, never attended a delegates meeting & may not have much buy in to
> the policy, in general.
>
> ~r
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 9:40 AM, niki <niki.shelley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> his means that if you, as a key-holding member leave the space *at any
>>> time* and there are no other key-holding members willing to vouch for
>>> non-key holding members that may be present at the time, everyone must
>>> leave.
>>>
>> Exactly. The problem with that policy is that by definition, there may
>> only be a single member left, who then may need to kick out multiple
>> non-members, some of whom may be inebriated, asleep, or more physically
>> imposing than the remaining members.
>>
>> I think the security sweep should be made well before that time, to take
>> the burden off the poor sap who happens to be the last one to leave...
>>
>> I think that kicking out non-members at 11pm or midnight is reasonable.
>> Unless they are explicitly vouched for by a member present, like if there
>> is still someone working on a project from hardware hack night in Sudo past
>> midnight. But then it becomes *that* member's responsibility to escort the
>> non-member out later.
>>
>> Patrik
>>
>
>
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