[sudo-discuss] ian moon banned
Patrick O'Doherty
p at trickod.com
Tue Aug 25 15:12:52 PDT 2015
we made a couple of changes that have all worked together.
firstly we stopped keeping the upper door (noisebridge is on 3rd floor
of a building with an effectively public entrance) closed instead of
jammed open. It cannot be opened without a key or RFID token from the
outside, but can be done so from the inside. There's a doorbell posted
at both the bottom gate and top door which people can ring to get access
into the space.
Members and Philanthropists have 24/7 access to the space using an RFID
access system which allows the bottom gate and the top door to be opened
by presenting a token to the RFID reader.
Members can give out RFID tokens (or add someone's existing token like a
Clipper card) to the system granting 30 day "public hour" access to
users anonymously. The act of adding someone to the system is
deliberately quite easy, as it's intended to give folks easier access to
the space once they're known to the community. The access expires after
30 days at which point it can be renewed by another member.
It's also possible to have non-expiring slightly expanded hour access
for folks who give some amount of contact details (the name that they
prefer to be called an an email) so that folks don't need to continually
ask for their access to be renewed.
The RFID notes when the door opens / closes, but it *does not log the
individual comings and goings of users*. Really want to stress this
point: There's no way to tell when someone comes and goes from the logs.
These physical changes were accompanied by some cultural changes. As I
mentioned earlier, if you're welcoming someone into the space it's
considered excellent to introduce yourself, ask if it's their first time
at Noisebridge, offer to give them a tour, explain Noisebridge and the
ethos of the space etc... such that folks have an understanding of what
Noisebridge is, what goes on in the space, and the very basic what's
excellent and not so excellent.
All of the code, hardware specs, and designs are on Github @
https://github.com/hzeller/rfid-access-control.
hopefully that's a helpful description of the system we have in place at
noisebridge. it was a relatively long project, especially with helping
create the cultural expectations about introducing folks to the space
and also asking those who are unexcellent to leave.
Stephen Whitmore:
> What did/does Noisebridge's access control look like, that made it so
> effective? I know nil on the subject, so I ask for myself and anyone else
> who might not know what this entails.
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Patrick O'Doherty <p at trickod.com> wrote:
>
>> at the risk of this sounding preachy (it's 100% not intended as such,
>> but it's hard to convey tone / emotion in text) one of the biggest
>> contributors in helping pull noisebridge back together was implementing
>> access control coupled with using the 86 page to effectively document
>> those who were asked to leave the space.
>>
>> I realise given the physical layout of both the OMNI and sudo in
>> particular that any amount of physical access control might be a lot
>> more difficult (multiple entrances to both the OMNI and sudoroom, and
>> all the various routes between the rooms in the OMNI) but maybe it's
>> worth exploring?
>>
>> a really neat side effect of access control is that all new visitors to
>> the space interact with someone on arrival, with the cultural
>> expectation on their host giving them a tour and explaining everything
>> about the space and its ethos.
>>
>> lurking in #sudoroom it seems that there is some sort of card system at
>> the moment? sudobot pipes up occasionally about folks being swiped into
>> the building. I haven't been to the OMNI since this was put in place,
>> but is this a card swipe system at the main front entrance?
>>
>> </$0.02>
>>
>> p
>>
>> Jake:
>>> i think we need to work on more practical and effective ways to keep the
>>> space free of banned persons at all times.
>>>
>>> what can people do when a banned person repeatedly returns whenever they
>>> feel like they can get in? there are no consequences for trying.
>>>
>>> I know that we do not call police for these types of issues, but what
>>> about telling people that if they return again, the police will be
>>> called and they will not know it until a cop shows up to grab them?
>>>
>>> Does that go against our values? If so, what is a reasonable motivator
>>> to get people to stop returning all the time?
>>>
>>> If the response is "we just need to keep leaning on members and
>>> volunteers to constantly beg trespassers to leave again" i fear that we
>>> are going to burn people out faster than we can replace them.
>>>
>>> -jake
>>>
>>> On Tue, 25 Aug 2015, Stephen Whitmore wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not sure if you're aware of it, but Omni/sudo
>>>> has https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Asked_to_Leave. Photograph existence
>>>> varies wildly, of
>>>> course.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer
>>>> <patrikd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ah - so he was already banned anyway, but was still coming in?
>>>>
>>>> You know, I have a really hard time putting names to faces. It
>>>> would be
>>>> extremely useful if we actually had photographs of the people
>>>> that are
>>>> banned, similar to noisebridges 86 page. That way we might
>>>> actually have some
>>>> hope of enforcing the bans already in place...
>>>>
>>>> Patrik
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 25, 2015 1:15 PM, "yar" <yardenack at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 1:10 PM, yar <yardenack at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > hackerspace inside the Omni, and it sounds like the people
>>>> involved
>>>> > were not Sudoroom members nor did they claim to be, and
>> the
>>>> events
>>>>
>>>> Actually I stand corrected, James Moon applied to be a
>>>> Sudoroom
>>>> member
>>>> a couple months ago, before he went on a yelling spree that
>>>> scared a
>>>> bunch of people away, and was then blocked from membership
>>>> and
>>>> banned.
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