[sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] Don't leave valuables in your car!
David Keenan
dkeenan44 at gmail.com
Tue Jun 16 16:32:20 PDT 2015
* (as all such people who actually do have bad intentions eventually will)
On Tuesday, June 16, 2015, David Keenan <dkeenan44 at gmail.com> wrote:
> ++11 jake, daniel..
>
> One of the ongoing, hard-work aspects of maintaining a true Commons IMO
> is that I think it's important to presume good intentions on the part of
> every newcomer to the space, even if they are wrong, misinformed, or prove
> (as all such people always eventually will) to not have them.
>
> We can save ourselves some of this quotidian labor by signage, though as
> with Joel's signs we should aggregate as much info per sign as is legible
> in about 15 seconds so we don't done day have too too many signs everywhere
> (lest we give an impression of being in a space ruled by too
> many imperatives and prohibitions..although we are presently pretty far
> away from that end if the spectrum to be sure! :)
>
> On Tuesday, June 16, 2015, Dante Cassius <exaltedunmelody at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','exaltedunmelody at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Very well said Jake :)
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Noemie Serfaty <noemieserfaty at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds great!
>>> I'm on it.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think that the majority of white america is mostly ignorant of these
>>>> realities, and that it would be a good idea to make a poster that explains
>>>> it, in plain english, so that good-intentioned people can be informed.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think the suggestion to summon police would have been made by
>>>> someone aware of these issues. I think that the most direct route to
>>>> awareness will be signs, posters and flyers, directed toward people who
>>>> should know better, but don't.
>>>>
>>>> Of course it's the duty of the privileged to educate themselves, but as
>>>> a community of people who are in possession of this knowledge, we should do
>>>> what we can to make sure newcomers to our community are informed of this
>>>> important issue, to prevent a repeating pattern of ignorant accidents.
>>>>
>>>> I assume the Material Print Machine or one of the many giant laser
>>>> printers at sudoroom are up to the task of reproducing a well-worded primer
>>>> on police brutality and police reality.
>>>>
>>>> -jake
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, Noemie Serfaty wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I guess it sums it up:
>>>>>
>>>>> If OPD sees a black man sleeping in a car, they shoot him.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are white and ask them to protect the property you leave in
>>>>> your car, they might do it.
>>>>> Because they've proved that they care more about your property than
>>>>> they do about a black life.
>>>>>
>>>>> The question is, do you want to be complicit to that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that issue something we could include in our safe space policy? Is
>>>>> there a need to carve it in stone somewhere in the building? I'll do
>>>>> whatever is
>>>>> needed to make it a thing: OPD friendly discourse is really, really
>>>>> NOT OK. It's offensive and threatening to the people who are from Oakland,
>>>>> to the
>>>>> people here who get harrassed on a daily basis, to the people here who
>>>>> dedicate, sometimes sacrifice their lives to the struggle for dignity and
>>>>> their
>>>>> basic human rights.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 1:15 AM, Noemie Serfaty <
>>>>> noemieserfaty at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> +1 to yar and daniel. I'm pretty upset right now.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, let's be clear. If you come from far to be at the Omni, then
>>>>> be aware that you are arriving in a city where a lot of people suffer from
>>>>> poverty, racism and police brutality. Don't be a gentrifier. If
>>>>> you want your valuable belongings to be safe, then don't leave them in your
>>>>> car.
>>>>> And don't ask the cops to protect your property.
>>>>> They killed another black man, the father of a friend, a few
>>>>> days ago. He was sleeping in his car. OPD has invited 10 FBI agents to join
>>>>> their troop. The pigs are not our friends, and it's not funny.
>>>>> If you don't notice it, then I invite you to put yourself in the shoes of
>>>>> someone with less than you.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 15, 2015 9:36 PM, "danarauz at gmail.com" <
>>>>> danarauz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Sorry Joe, I meant Jacob.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 9:29 PM, danarauz at gmail.com <
>>>>> danarauz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Joe: Please do not invite cops to the Omni area.
>>>>> SERIOUSLY, this is not a joke.
>>>>> Police do NOT care about Black and Brown people.
>>>>> And IF there were good cops they will be arresting all those racist
>>>>> killer cops.
>>>>>
>>>>> COPS are armed and HIGHLY DANGEROUS, specially toward people with out
>>>>> White Privilege.
>>>>>
>>>>> And the more you talk, the more they learn about you and your friends.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not to talk to Police Officers:
>>>>> https://youtu.be/6wXkI4t7nuc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 6:59 PM, Christian Elssner <celssner at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Is the camera visible? If it is hidden it kind of defeats the
>>>>> purpose.
>>>>> These are the kind of stickers I was thinking of (just a suggestion).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001FY0WDK/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3?pf_rd_p=1944687602&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B002WFJEJY&pf_rd_m=AT
>>>>> VPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0JDGP6B7JX67H52MR34K
>>>>> [IMAGE]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>>>>> I think it would make more sense to put signs up saying "if you
>>>>> leave anything in your car, the windows will get
>>>>> broken and it will be stolen, even if it's covered up by an old
>>>>> shirt."
>>>>>
>>>>> after all, there is a camera on the corner (pointed at omni) and
>>>>> it probably captures lots of car burglaries - i
>>>>> don't think anyone gets busted that way.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2015, Christian Elssner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Alternative to cops would be to place a few stickers
>>>>> around Omni stating that the area has surveillance
>>>>> cams. Or even place a fake couple fake ones around.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [jZXzVcR.gif]
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:02 PM, <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
>>>>> there is the best alternative to inviting more
>>>>> police, same as the subject line.
>>>>>
>>>>> additional info is not needed to substantiate that
>>>>> the omni as a collective is not in favor of an
>>>>> increased police presence.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-06-09 10:16, yar wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Stephen Novotny
>>>>> <novotny.stephen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I think it's a terrible idea to ask cops
>>>>> to patrol our streets more often.
>>>>> There is no immediate solution to
>>>>> preventing theft other than removing
>>>>> valuables from cars.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just for the record, I've lived in Oakland
>>>>> almost a decade, I've
>>>>> driven to Omni 100+ times, and my car has
>>>>> NEVER been broken into. I'm
>>>>> pretty sure that's because I just don't leave
>>>>> shit in it.
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