[sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] Don't leave valuables in your car!
Karissa McKelvey
karissa.mckelvey at gmail.com
Wed Jun 17 13:28:24 PDT 2015
don't apologize for ranting, I think it's necessary to have these kinds of
candid conversations.
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 4:32 PM, David Keenan <dkeenan44 at gmail.com> wrote:
> * (as all such people who actually do have bad intentions eventually will)
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 16, 2015, David Keenan <dkeenan44 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ++11 jake, daniel..
>>
>> One of the ongoing, hard-work aspects of maintaining a true Commons IMO
>> is that I think it's important to presume good intentions on the part of
>> every newcomer to the space, even if they are wrong, misinformed, or prove
>> (as all such people always eventually will) to not have them.
>>
>> We can save ourselves some of this quotidian labor by signage, though as
>> with Joel's signs we should aggregate as much info per sign as is legible
>> in about 15 seconds so we don't done day have too too many signs everywhere
>> (lest we give an impression of being in a space ruled by too
>> many imperatives and prohibitions..although we are presently pretty far
>> away from that end if the spectrum to be sure! :)
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 16, 2015, Dante Cassius <exaltedunmelody at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Very well said Jake :)
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Noemie Serfaty <noemieserfaty at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sounds great!
>>>> I'm on it.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think that the majority of white america is mostly ignorant of these
>>>>> realities, and that it would be a good idea to make a poster that explains
>>>>> it, in plain english, so that good-intentioned people can be informed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think the suggestion to summon police would have been made by
>>>>> someone aware of these issues. I think that the most direct route to
>>>>> awareness will be signs, posters and flyers, directed toward people who
>>>>> should know better, but don't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course it's the duty of the privileged to educate themselves, but
>>>>> as a community of people who are in possession of this knowledge, we should
>>>>> do what we can to make sure newcomers to our community are informed of this
>>>>> important issue, to prevent a repeating pattern of ignorant accidents.
>>>>>
>>>>> I assume the Material Print Machine or one of the many giant laser
>>>>> printers at sudoroom are up to the task of reproducing a well-worded primer
>>>>> on police brutality and police reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> -jake
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, Noemie Serfaty wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess it sums it up:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If OPD sees a black man sleeping in a car, they shoot him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are white and ask them to protect the property you leave in
>>>>>> your car, they might do it.
>>>>>> Because they've proved that they care more about your property than
>>>>>> they do about a black life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The question is, do you want to be complicit to that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is that issue something we could include in our safe space policy? Is
>>>>>> there a need to carve it in stone somewhere in the building? I'll do
>>>>>> whatever is
>>>>>> needed to make it a thing: OPD friendly discourse is really, really
>>>>>> NOT OK. It's offensive and threatening to the people who are from Oakland,
>>>>>> to the
>>>>>> people here who get harrassed on a daily basis, to the people here
>>>>>> who dedicate, sometimes sacrifice their lives to the struggle for dignity
>>>>>> and their
>>>>>> basic human rights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 1:15 AM, Noemie Serfaty <
>>>>>> noemieserfaty at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 to yar and daniel. I'm pretty upset right now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, let's be clear. If you come from far to be at the Omni,
>>>>>> then be aware that you are arriving in a city where a lot of people suffer
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> poverty, racism and police brutality. Don't be a gentrifier. If
>>>>>> you want your valuable belongings to be safe, then don't leave them in your
>>>>>> car.
>>>>>> And don't ask the cops to protect your property.
>>>>>> They killed another black man, the father of a friend, a few
>>>>>> days ago. He was sleeping in his car. OPD has invited 10 FBI agents to join
>>>>>> their troop. The pigs are not our friends, and it's not funny.
>>>>>> If you don't notice it, then I invite you to put yourself in the shoes of
>>>>>> someone with less than you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2015 9:36 PM, "danarauz at gmail.com" <
>>>>>> danarauz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Sorry Joe, I meant Jacob.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 9:29 PM, danarauz at gmail.com <
>>>>>> danarauz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Joe: Please do not invite cops to the Omni area.
>>>>>> SERIOUSLY, this is not a joke.
>>>>>> Police do NOT care about Black and Brown people.
>>>>>> And IF there were good cops they will be arresting all those racist
>>>>>> killer cops.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> COPS are armed and HIGHLY DANGEROUS, specially toward people with out
>>>>>> White Privilege.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And the more you talk, the more they learn about you and your friends.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not to talk to Police Officers:
>>>>>> https://youtu.be/6wXkI4t7nuc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 6:59 PM, Christian Elssner <
>>>>>> celssner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Is the camera visible? If it is hidden it kind of defeats the
>>>>>> purpose.
>>>>>> These are the kind of stickers I was thinking of (just a suggestion).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001FY0WDK/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3?pf_rd_p=1944687602&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B002WFJEJY&pf_rd_m=AT
>>>>>> VPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0JDGP6B7JX67H52MR34K
>>>>>> [IMAGE]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>>>>>> I think it would make more sense to put signs up saying "if you
>>>>>> leave anything in your car, the windows will get
>>>>>> broken and it will be stolen, even if it's covered up by an old
>>>>>> shirt."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> after all, there is a camera on the corner (pointed at omni)
>>>>>> and it probably captures lots of car burglaries - i
>>>>>> don't think anyone gets busted that way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2015, Christian Elssner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alternative to cops would be to place a few stickers
>>>>>> around Omni stating that the area has surveillance
>>>>>> cams. Or even place a fake couple fake ones around.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [jZXzVcR.gif]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:02 PM, <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
>>>>>> there is the best alternative to inviting more
>>>>>> police, same as the subject line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> additional info is not needed to substantiate that
>>>>>> the omni as a collective is not in favor of an
>>>>>> increased police presence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-06-09 10:16, yar wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Stephen
>>>>>> Novotny
>>>>>> <novotny.stephen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I think it's a terrible idea to ask
>>>>>> cops to patrol our streets more often.
>>>>>> There is no immediate solution to
>>>>>> preventing theft other than removing
>>>>>> valuables from cars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just for the record, I've lived in Oakland
>>>>>> almost a decade, I've
>>>>>> driven to Omni 100+ times, and my car has
>>>>>> NEVER been broken into. I'm
>>>>>> pretty sure that's because I just don't leave
>>>>>> shit in it.
>>>>>>
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