[sudo-discuss] Memberships

Wed Aug 17 20:33:56 PDT 2016

'Marxus'' moderation bit has been flipped, at the request of a member and
my own personal experience of having to tune this guy out in person after
about 30 seconds of his attempted 'conversation' / megalomaniacal
mansplaining.

Jenny

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On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:

> i think we would all rather close sudoroom than hang out with you.
>
> if you want friends, consider changing your attitude.
>
>
> On Wed, 17 Aug 2016, Xer0Dynamite wrote:
>
> Consider yourself unwelcome in the sudo room space pending a formal ban.
>>>
>>
>> Before you (Mark Juul, Morgan Allen, Lesley Bell) shoot yourself(ves)
>> in the foot, I implore you to listen with your reason, rather than
>> your reactivity.  For example, there are no hackerspaces that are
>> really thriving, do you know that?  Further, the level of analysis
>> needed to fix sudo-room's problems are not simple. I say this from
>> someone who's managed hundreds of thousands of dollars, can legally
>> call himself a Doctor, have the auspices of MIT, and has been watching
>> the movement from high above to ensure that it doesn't fail.
>> Sometimes trouble follows individuals not because they are guilty but
>> because they refuse to compromise in a system that DEMANDS it.  (In
>> any event, you can sniff around further at
>> <linkedin.com/in/majanssen>.)
>>
>> Hopefully, all of you took the time to read the important info in the
>> message (SUBJ: "Memberships") whereby I explained the complexity of
>> your explorations vis á vis the group known as Anonymous.  Your
>> judgments are COMPLETELY inappropriate pending *actually* asking me
>> what my views are.  Presumably, sudo-room doesn't require men to
>> desire male bodies EQUALLY to a woman's or to think that someone
>> DRESSING UP AS A GIRL has somehow magically acquired a uterus and all
>> the struggles that WOMEN have in this world.  I mean really give me a
>> fucking break, because the word "inclusivity" can start to look
>> awfully like marshmallow fluff when you have a lock on your door.
>> (BTW, I will admit to having a preference on the M/F question).  The
>> same issue is present with noisebridge -- they screen people who
>> silently match their political ethos/pathos.  It's the kind deep and
>> dangerous delusion that Christians have when they believe they're
>> fighting for Jesus.
>>
>> This isn't a criticism of them, for I understand the difficulty of
>> what I call REALITY (the street), but better to be trained and find
>> heuristics to TRANSFORM these experiences than become another
>> bourgeois hangout for (mostly) boys.
>>
>> You don't look incompetent, you look inexperienced.  I never thought
>> you were noobs, it's just that it would be very difficult to duplicate
>> the analysis that's been done to make hackerspaces self-sustaining.
>> It's akin to making a national _constitution_.  You should consider
>> that before you go excluding potential members who have offered to
>> help.
>>
>> And finally, consider the part of the profile in which you apparently
>> didn't have any problems or concerns:  "suicidal".  After the failure
>> of Occupy, many of us involved in trying to make a balanced world are
>> getting burned out.  The pressures of living are high and the hopes
>> are not.  Hackerspaces were supposed to act as refuge and sanctuary
>> for such fighters.  But it is getting sidetracked by MEN who blow
>> their load in each other's mouths and WANT TAX BREAKS.  You didn't get
>> it at all:  I was called a fag in high school, so were my friends, who
>> were more punk than I was.  I can make legitimate use of that word and
>> know far more about it than you who may just be looking to be
>> "politically correct".  Perhaps your interest in humanity in a joke,
>> but it implies that there is at least one human who is on the brink of
>> ending his or her life.
>>
>> If the aforementioned all jumped to on Juul's train of thought without
>> due consideration, then my analogy was more apt than I had planned:
>> you are like the rats congregating on that sinking ship.
>>
>> Truth and Justice.
>>
>> Marxos
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Xer0Dynamite <dreamingforward at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 8/15/16, Marc Juul <juul at labitat.dk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> sudo room allows ... ONE ... member to block the membership
>>>>> application....  ...You cannot become a sudo room member.
>>>>> There is no way to appeal this decision.
>>>>> (emphasis mine)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please take a moment to review your idea of memberships.  I understand
>>>> your current policy as it is written.  Are you aware that such a
>>>> policy amounts to a tacit dictatorship?  (One person can decide the
>>>> fate of all future interactions.)
>>>>
>>>> Onto your other points.  You decided to explore a little more than you
>>>> were told in the membership application and it got you into jumping to
>>>> some conclusions that aren't going towards truth (as you would
>>>> otherwise, reasonably, expect).
>>>>
>>>> The twitter account you mention has no face as it is a shared account
>>>> belonging to part of an activist collective called "Anonymous".  More
>>>> to the point, it is a space for those with no voice, like those in
>>>> prison for crimes that your leaders do on an annual basis, the Native
>>>> Americans (who shouldn't be expected to learn how to use the internet
>>>> just to get justice).  You apparently didn't wish to include those
>>>> tweets.  The profile tag line that *I* had placed there was "So
>>>> transparent as to be invisible...."  (and did not reference the female
>>>> directly).  That is, in fact, how you found it at all.  Unfortunately,
>>>> that tagline is no longer there.  I'm still transparent, and you can
>>>> ask me anything you want, should you decide to use your freedom that
>>>> we've been fighting on your behalf for genuine inquiry rather than
>>>> forming premature conclusions that serve neither me nor the future of
>>>> sudoroom.  We use this collective individuality as a counterpoint to
>>>> the adverse collective personality that you under one now called
>>>> "Annuit Coeptis" which you can find on the back of the US$1,
>>>> left-hand-side.  That phrase is ancient Latin for "We are looking over
>>>> you" with the preposition "over" to imply, semantically, the notion of
>>>> parentship.
>>>>
>>>> To the point, if you wish to go over all the tweets on that account
>>>> one-by-one, we can do that, in the presence of your the sudo-room
>>>> polit-bureau, if you'd like.  I will admit, for example, that I had
>>>> indeed tweeted that women should [collectively] stop sucking the cock
>>>> of the anti-Christ.  You got me.
>>>>
>>>> As has been communicated on several occasions by Anonymous, anyone can
>>>> join this movement  The membership application for the account in
>>>> question is much more simple.  I just have to give you the password
>>>> and you are automatically in, there is no vetting process.  ...But
>>>> judging from your message, I assume you wouldn't be interested.   Am I
>>>> to understand, for example, that you have only seen the anatomy of a
>>>> woman through approved and vetted processes and mediums, yourself?
>>>> Please take a moment and reflect.
>>>>
>>>> The note on the profile that you *didn't* take into account that these
>>>> are missives from the "uber-mind".   Perhaps it is unfortunate that it
>>>> makes reference to a part of the female anatomy in a manner of which
>>>> you do not approve.  I, myself, did approve, otherwise I would have
>>>> removed it, and I further know the intentions of the person(s) who set
>>>> that note in the profile believes and *fights* for women to be equal.
>>>> How much have you yourself done that?  (I should note that I cannot be
>>>> certain that only the one individual set that profile, such is the
>>>> nature of anonymity and aggregating activism.)
>>>>
>>>> I have to believe, for your sake, that your note was not sent strictly
>>>> with your own personality in mind, but also a result of a collective
>>>> consciousness in which you do not have complete control.  Few do have
>>>> control.  Between your diet, the medical system, and the law, pretty
>>>> much everyone has been p0wned.
>>>>
>>>> Towards some other points, I should attempt to reason with you on your
>>>> current decision.  Sudo-room, in its present state, is financially
>>>> insolvent, has no business plan, has rent in the 10s of THOUSANDS of
>>>> dollars and is in the ghetto.  You do have need to save your ship from
>>>> sinking.  I am here on a raft shooting the flare that "I'm here".  If
>>>> you wish to continue to captain that giant ship on your own, I have to
>>>> allow that.  For that is my own personal policy:  to allow others to
>>>> fail -- if, when given the options and consequences of error, they
>>>> choose to act on their own.  Even then.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Mark,
>>>> aka Marxos, Captain Dynamite.
>>>>
>>>>
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