[sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] someone keeps leaving the front door unlocked

[Jake]

why do more than 3 people need keys?

-jake

On Fri, 5 Feb 2016, Dante Cassius wrote:

> I strongly feel that security keys probably aren't a good route, for the
> simple reason that there are a TON of places that can and will copy
> security keys, even though they're not supposed to. Went through this
> trying to get an apartment key copied one time and it's seriously not
> hard or even that expensive. It's not much of an additional barrier if
> somebody wants to give keys to all their friends.
> 
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 3:05 PM, David Keenan <dkeenan44 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>       I agree with Jake; this issue is also why I reccomended
>       around May of last year that for non-card keys, we get
>       security keys that can't be so copied easily. That means we
>       can't make our own keys for the front door as we now do, but
>       in this instance that's a good thing imo. 
> The cost would be about $360. (In addition, I think we should get
> a locker that auto-locks, as others have suggested.)
> 
> The email I sent back then: 
> 
> Requesting this money be transferred to the building card to
> purchase a security lock for the front door. 
> 
> Budget sheet:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12mLeOEJEKZS11iQO5yQxVO21f2ldVbV
> n9scQWoAmhyM/edit?usp=docslist_api
> 
> Ronald Reed over at Reed Bros recommended the following
> high-security lockset (that is physically hard to copy): 
> 
> 1x Schlage single-sided deadbolt B560 x 626 ('626'=metal-colored
> finish)
> $66.00
> 
> 1x Primus cylinder 40-700-626 (for the deadbolt)
> $113.00
> 
> Lockset total: $179.00
> 
> Primus keys:
> $7.50/ea. 
> # of initial copies of keys: 20 keys.
> 20x keys: $150
> 
> Project cost:
> $329.00 + $31.26 tax = $360.26. 
> 
> This is obvs more than $2.25/ea for regular keys, but a lot less
> than $13-14/ea as for other high-security keys. 
> 
> The keys are:
> - stamped with a serial so they can only be made at Reed.
> - can be additionally individually serialized (no extra charge)
> which I think we should do.
> - can be restricted by what we decided IE only copied by a certain
> set of individuals with ID. 
> 
> The Primus keys have normal bumps but also angular divots on the
> side. They have an advantage in that, they can also be used with
> regular, existing, non-security cylinders for say interior doors
> inside the building. 'Standard' keys made to only open the
> interior door would conversely not be able to open the
> high-security exterior door. If that makes sense.
> 
> I want to state that I think getting a 'standard' lockset rather
> than a high-security one would be counterproductive and just a
> waste of our money, time, energy. Stamping 'do not copy' on a
> regular key, will do next to nothing. If we don't get a
> high-security lockset, I am against spending any money on rekeying
> the door. 
> 
> Reed Bros will ask for ID when using any card (ATM or credit).
> Therefore your name has to be on the card, or you have to pay
> cash. So if your name is not on the card or you don't have ID, be
> prepared to get cash from the Bank of the West ATM first.
> 
> I am happy to install the lock or Matt will probably be way better
> at it. If you get 20 keys, ask for them to be individually
> serialized. We should then record somewhere, who gets which key. 
> 
> We may want to ask people who want a key to pay for them or pay
> the omni back for them..
> 
> Provided everyone agrees, I will get these as soon as funds are
> available. 
> 
> Best,
> David
> 
> 
> On Saturday, January 23, 2016, danarauz at gmail.com
> <danarauz at gmail.com> wrote:
>       Also, something that I have noticed it that the door
>       doesn't have a handle from the inside, so the door
>       bounces out easily, or doesn't reach the position to
>       lock as easy, so one has to grab the push bar and pull
>       in, then the door can lock. Well, that is what I have
>       noticed before and this morning when I came in.
> If we lost track of who has the key or copies, then I
> support the re-keying too.
> 
> Repeating link sent by Laura:
> Sign up for a front door shift
> here: https://ethercalc.com/omni-front-desk
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Laura Turiano
> <scylla at riseup.net> wrote:
>       It may be time to re key the front door, but I
>       want to point out that there is a process to
>       receive an actual key:
>       https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Keys.
>
>       It would be great to find different hardware
>       that is more robust and doesn't need relocking
>       but we dont have money for that right now.
>
>       When there is an event, the event holder is
>       supposed to have someone stationed at the door
>       to let people in and tell them where to go.
>
>       If people are smoking the door should still be
>       closed. They should also be 20 feet away from
>       the door or windows.
>
>       Sign up for a front door shift here:
>       https://ethercalc.com/omni-front-desk
>
>       Laura
> 
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