[sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] someone keeps leaving the front door unlocked

[Dante Cassius]

I strongly feel that security keys probably aren't a good route, for the
simple reason that there are a TON of places that can and will copy
security keys, even though they're not supposed to. Went through this
trying to get an apartment key copied one time and it's seriously not hard
or even that expensive. It's not much of an additional barrier if somebody
wants to give keys to all their friends.

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 3:05 PM, David Keenan <dkeenan44 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree with Jake; this issue is also why I reccomended around May of last
> year that for non-card keys, we get security keys that can't be so copied
> easily. That means we can't make our own keys for the front door as we now
> do, but in this instance that's a good thing imo.
>
> The cost would be about $360. (In addition, I think we should get a
> locker that auto-locks, as others have suggested.)
>
> The email I sent back then:
>
> Requesting this money be transferred to the building card to purchase a
> security lock for the front door.
>
> Budget sheet:
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12mLeOEJEKZS11iQO5yQxVO21f2ldVbVn9scQWoAmhyM/edit?usp=docslist_api
>
> Ronald Reed over at Reed Bros recommended the following high-security
> lockset (that is physically hard to copy):
>
> *1x Schlage single-sided deadbolt B560* x 626 ('626'=metal-colored finish)
> $66.00
>
> *1x Primus cylinder 40-700-626* (for the deadbolt)
> $113.00
>
> Lockset total: $179.00
>
> *Primus keys*:
> $7.50/ea.
> # of initial copies of keys: *20 keys.*
> 20x keys: $150
>
> Project cost:
> $329.00 + $31.26 tax = $360.26.
>
> This is obvs more than $2.25/ea for regular keys, but a lot less than
> $13-14/ea as for other high-security keys.
>
> The keys are:
> - stamped with a serial so they can only be made at Reed.
> - can be additionally individually serialized (no extra charge) which I
> think we should do.
> - can be restricted by what we decided IE only copied by a certain set of
> individuals with ID.
>
> The Primus keys have normal bumps but also angular divots on the side.
> They have an advantage in that, they can also be used with regular,
> existing, non-security cylinders for say interior doors inside the
> building. 'Standard' keys made to only open the interior door would
> conversely not be able to open the high-security exterior door. If that
> makes sense.
>
> I want to state that I think getting a 'standard' lockset rather than a
> high-security one would be counterproductive and just a waste of our money,
> time, energy. Stamping 'do not copy' on a regular key, will do next to
> nothing. If we don't get a high-security lockset, I am against spending any
> money on rekeying the door.
>
> Reed Bros will ask for ID when using any card (ATM or credit). Therefore
> your name has to be on the card, or you have to pay cash. So if your name
> is not on the card or you don't have ID, be prepared to get cash from the
> Bank of the West ATM first.
>
> I am happy to install the lock or Matt will probably be way better at it.
> If you get 20 keys, ask for them to be individually serialized. We should
> then record somewhere, who gets which key.
>
> We may want to ask people who want a key to pay for them or pay the omni
> back for them..
>
> Provided everyone agrees, I will get these as soon as funds are available.
>
> Best,
> David
>
>
> On Saturday, January 23, 2016, danarauz at gmail.com <danarauz at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Also, something that I have noticed it that the door doesn't have a
>> handle from the inside, so the door bounces out easily, or doesn't reach
>> the position to lock as easy, so one has to grab the push bar and pull in,
>> then the door can lock.
>> Well, that is what I have noticed before and this morning when I came in.
>>
>> If we lost track of who has the key or copies, then I support the
>> re-keying too.
>>
>> Repeating link sent by Laura:
>> Sign up for a front door shift here:
>> https://ethercalc.com/omni-front-desk
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Laura Turiano <scylla at riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>>> It may be time to re key the front door, but I want to point out that
>>> there is a process to receive an actual key:
>>> https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Keys.
>>>
>>> It would be great to find different hardware that is more robust and
>>> doesn't need relocking but we dont have money for that right now.
>>>
>>> When there is an event, the event holder is supposed to have someone
>>> stationed at the door to let people in and tell them where to go.
>>>
>>> If people are smoking the door should still be closed. They should also
>>> be 20 feet away from the door or windows.
>>>
>>> Sign up for a front door shift here:
>>> https://ethercalc.com/omni-front-desk
>>>
>>> Laura
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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