[sudo-discuss] johnny ban / process?

[Lesley Bell]

Marina,

I appreciate your offer, and your past willingness to mediate. However, due
to the results of the past mediation, I am not comfortable having you
mediate at this time.

Your repeated suggestion that Johnny might just be joking and I should
reframe his insults/harassment as humor did not prove to be helpful, as
evidenced by his subsequent criminal breaking and entering and physical
assault. I also did not feel that his words in your presence were sincere,
as he repeated some of his inappropriate behavior very soon afterward.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016, 10:56 AM Marc Juul <juul at labitat.dk> wrote:

>
>
> On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> aside from any other issues, i sincerely doubt that this is a game to
>> johnny given that he wants to participate in the space..
>>
>> let's focus on "restorative" instead of "retributive" - johnny seems (to
>> me) to want to follow the process in a good faith way. for anyone who is
>> more familiar with the omni and sudo remediation process than i am, any
>> ideas on how to move forward from here?
>>
>
> Accusations are one thing but the way people choose to respond to
> accusations is usually a very good predictor of whether they end up with a
> resolved conflict and regaining access to the space.
>
> After Johnny's comments in this thread I predict that he will not be
> allowed back any time soon.
>
>
>
>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 7:24 AM, robb <sf99er at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> #swish?
>>>
>>> really, this is all just a game to you johnny?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 3:46 AM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Johnny,
>>>>
>>>> Is it true that Lesley's has a temporary restraining order against you?
>>>> That seems to rise above mere "gossip and accusations", and seems like it
>>>> would be substantial enough to trigger at least a temporary ban.
>>>>
>>>> Also, it's the nature of interpersonal conflicts that there may not be
>>>> any more than "accusations" available to make a decision on. So if someone
>>>> states that they feel unsafe around another person, it may be justified to
>>>> remove that other person from the space at least temporarily, until a
>>>> better informed decision can be reached.
>>>>
>>>> Patrik
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 20, 2016 2:16 AM, "Johnny" <mostmodernist at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> that link says if "someone's safety is at risk, a temporary ban may be
>>>> placed".  it says nothing about how, and obviously is meant to deal with
>>>> clear present safety issues, not gossip and accusations.
>>>>
>>>> abusing that vague apparatus of the super-system to ban people on mere
>>>> claims is totally fascist and supremacist behavior.
>>>>
>>>> defending it is also fascist.
>>>>
>>>> calling out for the record that Marc, Matt, Cere, Sigma, Jeremy are
>>>> fascists for consent to abuse system and unjustly override process without
>>>> sudo quorum; ya'll better not step on any cracks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 12:53 AM, Marc Juul <juul at labitat.dk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 12:43 AM, Johnny <mostmodernist at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Marc,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No quorum you say?  Sub-Section 3.2.2 "Maintaining Safe Space During
>>>>>> Conflict Resolution" states that my ban would have had to been ratified
>>>>>> online without quorum.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> The sudo room space, being part of Omni, is also subject to all Omni
>>>>> rules, including the Omni safer space policy which I linked previously.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> marc/juul
>>>>>
>>>>
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