[sudo-discuss] Steve causing problems at omni/sudoroom

Steve Leach stevenaleach at gmail.com
Sat Mar 10 13:14:58 PST 2018

And yes, regarding your "disappointing interaction" - that began when you
made one of two bad assumptions. Your note appears to have been prompted by
your either thinking the piles of junk filling the table were all or even
largely mine, if your complaint was the junk, or you had thought that I had
departed for the  day when I was in fact still in the building and were
bothered by my unattended laptop, tobacco, coffee cup, papers and general
paraphernalia. The next day when you encountered the same table without me
or my possessions, you still seem to have been operating under the
impression that the piles of junk to include a car battery, multiple laptop
chargers, and all sorts of other whatnot were things I had piled there.
Now, perhaps this is understandable since you aren't here most days and
don't know what people's routines and norms are that are here. You didn't
understand that I tend to find the least loved spot - a place where I won't
feel like I'm in anyone's way to sit and that those spots also tend to be
the paces where crap in general gets piled. I'm careful not to disturb
things that I don't know for sure are garbage and that someone doesn't
need, so I just push a clear spot out to be able to place my laptop in. You
then posted to the mailing list about the junk on the table and your heroic
cleaning of it - but perhaps didn't notice my response re stuff being
thrown out, I said that yea I agree stuff shouldn't be stored on the tables
and as far as things being thrown out that was why I'm especially careful
not to leave anything of mine there on Tuesdays because the hardware
hacking tends to need the space and have more purges and re-arrangements -
and that I certainly had no problem with anything being pitched because
none of it was mine, I wasn't in the room that night and I didn't leave
anything unattended in the room to wind up pitched. So yes, the whole
interaction regarding the table was, as you say 'disappointing'. Had you
just asked me: "Dude, wtf - is all of this junk yours?" I would have said
"No, I don't even know what most of it is. It's the contents of both tables
pushed over on this one 'cause those boxes came in." I assume you would
have then said. "Oh." and we would have had no problem. Instead you left a
note that said "STEVE: CLEAN UP THIS TABLE!" written in colored marker on
the envelope sitting next to my laptop which you mistook for garbage. I
pondered whether you were complaining about my tobacco, notes, laptop, etc.
because I had been out of the room for an extended time and you thought I
was just really stupid/brave and had left for the night without securing my
laptop, or if you thought I was using all of the crap on the table (and
what kind of project someone would be doing to involve all of it?), so I
parodied your note and returned it: "Jake: Don't Leave Rude Notes." It was
fascinating that you describe your note specifically as "polite" and my
response as "rude" given that I had intentionally mirrored yours. I figured
that the absence of me and my stuff the following day, a Tuesday (when I
tend to clear out since things tend to get a little loud and chaotic and I
need to be elsewhere if I want to think) would clear up whatever
misconceptions you were operating under and was quite surprised to see your
post to the group complaining about 'my' junk.  I pointed that out in the
reply that you appear not to have read. You would have the "Oh" moment when
you would realized that the table without me and my possessions was pretty
much as full as it was with, and that was why your note was returned.  You
did bring up the legitimate complaint in your message about tobacco crumbs,
which again noted, I'm now rolling on a sheet of paper and asking others to
do the same. I responded to your list message agreeing that stuff shouldn't
be stored on the table - especially on Tuesdays - and that was why I am
sure not to do so.  And so yes, I find it quite 'disappointing' and
surprising that your latest message includes the words " he rejected my
request to clean up the table he had been treating like his living room".
At this point, I can't view this as reasonable behavior by someone
operating on unchecked assumptions, but intentional harassment.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:

> I am not there but I hear from Rayc that Steve Leach is causing problems by
> verbally attacking Rayc for moving a table in sudoroom.
> Steve is calling it "his" table.  And wouldn't stop yelling at Rayc even
> when
> Max from Phat Beets asked him to stop interrupting their meeting (Rayc had
> taken the table to the 48th street doors sidewalk area)
> I had a disappointing interaction with Steve earlier this week when he
> rejected
> my request to clean up the table he had been treating like his living
> room, but
> I didn't realize that he also has a history of blowing up on people and
> disrupting meetings, and now verbally attacking my friend.
> I would like to ask Steve to take some time away from Omni and Sudoroom
> and/or
> engage in mediation with me, and probably also with Rayc who has been
> attacked
> in the past and doesn't deserve to be stressed out like this at Omni.
> -jake
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