[sudo-discuss] [omni-booking] Basement Rent

Fri Aug 30 15:40:26 PDT 2019

Thank you for your response Lucas.  I hope we can get together
soon and get alligned on procedures. As for SKSAT tomorrow
PLEASE:
Absolutely No alcohol without ABC permits or license, 
     especially without insurance;
SPAZ and SKSAT point persons at event to monitor noise,
    clean up and security.
I’ll come by to say Hi
Thanks
joe


> On Aug 30, 2019, at 12:37 PM, shonuff <shonuff at spaz.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I understand the frustration and confusion around the spaz/sudo/omni basement relationship and operating procedures. I have been trying my best to keep up with the issues on all sides, and have sincerely regretted not being able to make a f2f meeting yet despite my best efforts. I tried calling both Joe and Robb last Monday because I was unexpextedly stuck at work in San Leandro until 6pm, and realize the 5pm meeting time is not realistic for me to commit to because I am often at work during normal business hours. Maybe there could be a discussion about adjusting the meeting time in the future to at least an hour or so later to make it easier to participate as desired.
> Anyhow, this is the first I have heard of any damage to the commons... could someone elaborate so that I could help address and or repair that? The only things I know of are the hole in the drop ceiling and some graffiti, both of which are on the list for attention during upcoming work sessions. I have not been at the last two events so can not comment on recent noise issues, but have personally always put considerable concern into mitigating any neighbor related issues. And will continue to improve and enforce those measures.
> I am also not aware of trash or recycling being left strewn about... we always have people staying very late cleaning and removing bags and bags of trash after events, sweeping and mopping. And have in fact implemented a $100 dollar cleaning deposit to ensure that gets done. Not saying things don't slip by and that there isnt always room for improvement, but leaving the place clean or even cleaner than we found it has always been a top priority so I am surprised to hear of this complaint. Maybe it was at one of the events I was not able to bottom line.
> We definitely need to clarify the alcohol and insurance/permit issues so that we can all stay on the same page. For example, this is the first I have heard that BYOB is not allowed or an ABC issue? I would be relieved to have a better understanding of what the rules are so that I can help implement them.
> As for the sudo room sponsorship and guidelines, I am happy to have that all clarified asap as well. I was under the impression that most of the time there are multiple sudo members present at the events, but we can formalize the requirements for sure. Or also look at other options in general. But all events and request have been going throught the website so I don't quite understand how it works if it is not an official Sudo event then? I thought the understanding was that since the funds raised were going to omni rent one way or another it was just the best way since there is considerable longstanding overlap between sudo members and spaz. But again, I would be relieved to have a better understanding of all of these parameters and requirements, and apologize for any personal responsibility for causing more friction by not yet being fully versed in the booking group program.
> Like I said before, after the SKAST art show/party this Saturday we have put on hold all booking of the spaz system in the basement until all of these issues as well as the other general basement concerns are addressed and solved. We love the omni and want to help sustain a creative inviting relationship that encourages and supports all of the different aspects and mission of the space.
> I hope to help resolve all of the woking group concerns as soon as possible, and become more adept at the existing systems that keep things rolling smoothly. We do not want to rock the boat in any negative way but are happy and grateful to have an opportunity to contribute to the next evolution of the space.
> Thanks.
> Lukas
> 
> On 2019-08-26 22:25, joe liesner wrote:
>> We of the Booking WG are not feeling like we are getting the
>> cooperation
>> of SPAZ or SUDO in resolving the outstanding issues regarding SPAZ
>> holding events in the basement.
>> Our understanding is that if Sudo is sponsoring SPAZ events
>> then a representative of Sudo needs to at least be present at those
>> SPAZ events
>> and should be involved in putting the event on,   This has not been
>> happening.
>> In addition there is BYOB alcohol at SPAZ event without any ABC
>> permits
>> or any insurance;  there has been OC property destruction at several
>> events:
>> there have not been sufficient noise reduction procedures at the last
>> event and
>> people in the neighboring building have been kept up at 1:30am; and
>> the
>> SpaZ events have left the premises strewn with beer bottles and trash
>> without
>> having made a cleaning deposit for their rental.
>> In addition SPAZ has assumed the authority to extend their SUDO
>> sponsorship
>> to others e.g. Chai CAT and SKAT.
>> In order to allow SKAST to take place on 8/31 booking  wg  must insist
>> that
>> there is better noise/crowd control, much better security/supervision,
>> no
>> alcohol, proper insurance, and trash removal guananteed by a cleaning
>> deposit.
>> The tone of frustration apparent in this post is not the way booking
>> would want to
>> communicate with our colleagues but comes with not having had a chance
>> to
>> work with sudo or SPAZ f2f for weeks.  Hopefully with such meetings we
>> can
>> get clear on some of these basics and work together for the good of
>> OC.
>> joe, for booking wg (Robb and Roberto)
>>> On Aug 18, 2019, at 10:07 PM, Jenny Ryan <jenny at jennyryan.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> I spent some time with Lukas today doing some more onboarding re:
>>> our booking and event processes. He's been slammed with an
>>> out-of-town work gig that he just returned from yesterday, and so
>>> should be able to attend the next Commons meeting on the 26th (I'm
>>> out of town again this weekend through Tuesday, unfortunately, but
>>> will try to participate remotely if anyone opens the pad this
>>> time!).  We went through making a contract for the SKAST art show on
>>> the 31st and also discussed the 'We Are the Ones' event for Sep 7th,
>>> which wants to utilize the ballroom during the day and move to the
>>> basement for an afterparty, but is only offering $200-300.  Lukas
>>> and I will run point on these (and other events of relevance to the
>>> basement/SPAZ community) together while he's getting the hang of our
>>> processes and is able to attend some of the upcoming f2f meetings.
>>> If I may ask, or rather urge: let's please be welcoming and
>>> encouraging of anyone aligned and eager to help us better steward
>>> events - I'll be the first to acknowledge that our processes are
>>> rather intimidating and cumbersome to even longtime community
>>> members, and I'm looking forward to not only a better booking
>>> system, but cultivating a more welcoming culture of orienting
>>> interested folks to becoming core volunteers <3
>>> Re: "market rate" for the basement - I'm still somewhat confused by
>>> this request and why they're not interested in renting the ballroom
>>> instead. But anyway - I think Robb's right-on with that price point,
>>> considering the risk involved of any late-night event. It's well
>>> nigh impossible to find any venue that will go past 2am, much less
>>> one for under $100/hr. We should do some more comparative research,
>>> though. Two sites that host local rentable venue listings are
>>> https://peerspace.com <https://peerspace.com/> [1] and https://evenues.com <https://evenues.com/> [2] - factor in
>>> that the 1450 square footage of the basement hall is cut down by
>>> Village/CCL storage on one side and Phat Beets/soundsystem storage
>>> on the other, plus the lack of amenities we provide, and the
>>> occupancy cap of 49 people... it doesn't quite compare to, say, 1000
>>> sqft at ground level with nice floors and empty-canvass-ness. But
>>> try and book anything shiny past 2am and we're about it.
>>> This request also runs into the issue of whether they want to use
>>> the SPAZ soundsystem (in which case let's have Lukas join this
>>> conversation), how much they intend things to be virtually "plug and
>>> play", etc. I would be willing to update the website next week, at
>>> the least we should say something about needing to work with SPAZ
>>> folks for basement late-night events (considering the many factors
>>> that complicate things here, not just the sound system but also
>>> security, noise, safety, lighting, etc).
>>> Apologies for the long email and thanks all for your continued
>>> dedication <3
>>> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 9:27 PM robb <sf99er at gmail.com <mailto:sf99er at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> i think for a high risk event like a rave for a political (not
>>> exempt) campaign, it should be something like $100-150/hr depending
>>> on if they use the entrance hall or not
>>> maybe $70-100/hr for non-profits
>>> too high? low?
>>> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 8:30 PM joe liesner <blue393 at lmi.net <mailto:blue393 at lmi.net>> wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> I need to give a condidate for City Council of Oakland
>>> a market rate quote for the Basement hall.  What shat
>>> I quote?
>>> joe_______________________________________________
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>> Links:
>> ------
>> [1] https://peerspace.com/ <https://peerspace.com/>
>> [2] https://evenues.com/ <https://evenues.com/>
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