[sudo-discuss] [omni-booking] Basement Rent

Sat Aug 31 04:30:07 PDT 2019

I'll be there and am eager to clear the air - can we agree to all get
together f2f after the kitchen meeting around 3pm?

i've started making a log of commons WG communications over the summer -
you can make your own analyses of it:
https://peoplesopen.net/pad/p/commonssummer . i thought it might be
illuminating... I for one have stepped back from wearing so many hats so as
to better decentralize responsibility and sense of ownership in this
project. we get over 40 requests a month, and desperately need more folks
to help with scheduling and booking events at omni!

... since joe and robb decided to share this message with the entire 400+
person sudoroom mailing list, i thought i might as well flip the attempted
public (and thus downright dangerous to omni, as well) humiliation on its
head and make a cup of tea. please ping me if you are interested in helping
:)

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 15:40 joe liesner <blue393 at lmi.net> wrote:

> Thank you for your response Lucas.  I hope we can get together
> soon and get alligned on procedures. As for SKSAT tomorrow
> PLEASE:
> Absolutely No alcohol without ABC permits or license,
>      especially without insurance;
> SPAZ and SKSAT point persons at event to monitor noise,
>     clean up and security.
> I’ll come by to say Hi
> Thanks
> joe
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2019, at 12:37 PM, shonuff <shonuff at spaz.org> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I understand the frustration and confusion around the spaz/sudo/omni
> basement relationship and operating procedures. I have been trying my best
> to keep up with the issues on all sides, and have sincerely regretted not
> being able to make a f2f meeting yet despite my best efforts. I tried
> calling both Joe and Robb last Monday because I was unexpextedly stuck at
> work in San Leandro until 6pm, and realize the 5pm meeting time is not
> realistic for me to commit to because I am often at work during normal
> business hours. Maybe there could be a discussion about adjusting the
> meeting time in the future to at least an hour or so later to make it
> easier to participate as desired.
> Anyhow, this is the first I have heard of any damage to the commons...
> could someone elaborate so that I could help address and or repair that?
> The only things I know of are the hole in the drop ceiling and some
> graffiti, both of which are on the list for attention during upcoming work
> sessions. I have not been at the last two events so can not comment on
> recent noise issues, but have personally always put considerable concern
> into mitigating any neighbor related issues. And will continue to improve
> and enforce those measures.
> I am also not aware of trash or recycling being left strewn about... we
> always have people staying very late cleaning and removing bags and bags of
> trash after events, sweeping and mopping. And have in fact implemented a
> $100 dollar cleaning deposit to ensure that gets done. Not saying things
> don't slip by and that there isnt always room for improvement, but leaving
> the place clean or even cleaner than we found it has always been a top
> priority so I am surprised to hear of this complaint. Maybe it was at one
> of the events I was not able to bottom line.
> We definitely need to clarify the alcohol and insurance/permit issues so
> that we can all stay on the same page. For example, this is the first I
> have heard that BYOB is not allowed or an ABC issue? I would be relieved to
> have a better understanding of what the rules are so that I can help
> implement them.
> As for the sudo room sponsorship and guidelines, I am happy to have that
> all clarified asap as well. I was under the impression that most of the
> time there are multiple sudo members present at the events, but we can
> formalize the requirements for sure. Or also look at other options in
> general. But all events and request have been going throught the website so
> I don't quite understand how it works if it is not an official Sudo event
> then? I thought the understanding was that since the funds raised were
> going to omni rent one way or another it was just the best way since there
> is considerable longstanding overlap between sudo members and spaz. But
> again, I would be relieved to have a better understanding of all of these
> parameters and requirements, and apologize for any personal responsibility
> for causing more friction by not yet being fully versed in the booking
> group program.
> Like I said before, after the SKAST art show/party this Saturday we have
> put on hold all booking of the spaz system in the basement until all of
> these issues as well as the other general basement concerns are addressed
> and solved. We love the omni and want to help sustain a creative inviting
> relationship that encourages and supports all of the different aspects and
> mission of the space.
> I hope to help resolve all of the woking group concerns as soon as
> possible, and become more adept at the existing systems that keep things
> rolling smoothly. We do not want to rock the boat in any negative way but
> are happy and grateful to have an opportunity to contribute to the next
> evolution of the space.
> Thanks.
> Lukas
>
> On 2019-08-26 22:25, joe liesner wrote:
>
> We of the Booking WG are not feeling like we are getting the
> cooperation
> of SPAZ or SUDO in resolving the outstanding issues regarding SPAZ
> holding events in the basement.
> Our understanding is that if Sudo is sponsoring SPAZ events
> then a representative of Sudo needs to at least be present at those
> SPAZ events
> and should be involved in putting the event on,   This has not been
> happening.
> In addition there is BYOB alcohol at SPAZ event without any ABC
> permits
> or any insurance;  there has been OC property destruction at several
> events:
> there have not been sufficient noise reduction procedures at the last
> event and
> people in the neighboring building have been kept up at 1:30am; and
> the
> SpaZ events have left the premises strewn with beer bottles and trash
> without
> having made a cleaning deposit for their rental.
> In addition SPAZ has assumed the authority to extend their SUDO
> sponsorship
> to others e.g. Chai CAT and SKAT.
> In order to allow SKAST to take place on 8/31 booking  wg  must insist
> that
> there is better noise/crowd control, much better security/supervision,
> no
> alcohol, proper insurance, and trash removal guananteed by a cleaning
> deposit.
> The tone of frustration apparent in this post is not the way booking
> would want to
> communicate with our colleagues but comes with not having had a chance
> to
> work with sudo or SPAZ f2f for weeks.  Hopefully with such meetings we
> can
> get clear on some of these basics and work together for the good of
> OC.
> joe, for booking wg (Robb and Roberto)
>
> On Aug 18, 2019, at 10:07 PM, Jenny Ryan <jenny at jennyryan.net>
> wrote:
> I spent some time with Lukas today doing some more onboarding re:
> our booking and event processes. He's been slammed with an
> out-of-town work gig that he just returned from yesterday, and so
> should be able to attend the next Commons meeting on the 26th (I'm
> out of town again this weekend through Tuesday, unfortunately, but
> will try to participate remotely if anyone opens the pad this
> time!).  We went through making a contract for the SKAST art show on
> the 31st and also discussed the 'We Are the Ones' event for Sep 7th,
> which wants to utilize the ballroom during the day and move to the
> basement for an afterparty, but is only offering $200-300.  Lukas
> and I will run point on these (and other events of relevance to the
> basement/SPAZ community) together while he's getting the hang of our
> processes and is able to attend some of the upcoming f2f meetings.
> If I may ask, or rather urge: let's please be welcoming and
> encouraging of anyone aligned and eager to help us better steward
> events - I'll be the first to acknowledge that our processes are
> rather intimidating and cumbersome to even longtime community
> members, and I'm looking forward to not only a better booking
> system, but cultivating a more welcoming culture of orienting
> interested folks to becoming core volunteers <3
> Re: "market rate" for the basement - I'm still somewhat confused by
> this request and why they're not interested in renting the ballroom
> instead. But anyway - I think Robb's right-on with that price point,
> considering the risk involved of any late-night event. It's well
> nigh impossible to find any venue that will go past 2am, much less
> one for under $100/hr. We should do some more comparative research,
> though. Two sites that host local rentable venue listings are
> https://peerspace.com [1] and https://evenues.com [2] - factor in
> that the 1450 square footage of the basement hall is cut down by
> Village/CCL storage on one side and Phat Beets/soundsystem storage
> on the other, plus the lack of amenities we provide, and the
> occupancy cap of 49 people... it doesn't quite compare to, say, 1000
> sqft at ground level with nice floors and empty-canvass-ness. But
> try and book anything shiny past 2am and we're about it.
> This request also runs into the issue of whether they want to use
> the SPAZ soundsystem (in which case let's have Lukas join this
> conversation), how much they intend things to be virtually "plug and
> play", etc. I would be willing to update the website next week, at
> the least we should say something about needing to work with SPAZ
> folks for basement late-night events (considering the many factors
> that complicate things here, not just the sound system but also
> security, noise, safety, lighting, etc).
> Apologies for the long email and thanks all for your continued
> dedication <3
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 9:27 PM robb <sf99er at gmail.com> wrote:
> i think for a high risk event like a rave for a political (not
> exempt) campaign, it should be something like $100-150/hr depending
> on if they use the entrance hall or not
> maybe $70-100/hr for non-profits
> too high? low?
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 8:30 PM joe liesner <blue393 at lmi.net> wrote:
> Hi
> I need to give a condidate for City Council of Oakland
> a market rate quote for the Basement hall.  What shat
> I quote?
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