[Tmpcommonsnet] Notes from Network Commons License mtg @ IS4CWN2013
Mitar
mitar at tnode.com
Fri Oct 4 01:15:04 PDT 2013
Hi!
Great stuff! Thanks for sharing!
So just a point about what I am trying to learn from Creative Commons is
that:
- it is hard to make a global license because of all differences in
legislations, copyright is very standardized but it is still an issue,
networking is much less unified
- different people have different values, we can have different names
for different licenses (like what is situation in FOSS world), or we can
have one name with different variations (like Creative Commons)
Why I believe the second approach is better is because then we can
assure that despite differences the suite of those licenses are still
interoperable and do not forgo the main points. In the case of CC this
is attribution, the see this as a common value any license should
require. We might see something else in a similar light.
Ah. One more: I propose Network Commons name for all this and to get
commons.net domain name from the Creative Commons (they have it but are
not using it).
Roger, thank you for presenting my ideas in Berlin!
Mitar
> Greetings comrades!
>
> A pleasure to participate in a most excellent roundtable discussion moving
> toward a network commons license this evening at c-base!
>
> Here are the notes off the etherpad, for documentation and sharing with our
> friends across the pond. I will also shortly start a thread for a round of
> introductions :-)
>
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> This pad is meant to just as an index. Discussions must be kept in
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> name
> http://etherpad.guifi.net/L2-org-name
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> vision and mission
> http://etherpad.guifi.net/L2-mission
>
>
> initial pad THAT MUST BE REWORKED
> http://etherpad.guifi.net/C4EU-orgs
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> =======================================================
> rought notes of meeting at IS4CWN 2013
>
> *) we continue the discussion via the tmp mailing list
> pls send any update, no matter from where
>
> *) international organisations
> ISOC
> RIRs (e.g. RIPE-NCC, )
>
> *) international actions
> lobbyingg
> policy making
>
> *) license
>
> *) network map
> to have a big picture
>
> *) define what a CN is
> => which/who can be accepted at the L2org
> FNF proposal: https://commons.thefnf.org/index.php/Free_network_definition
> 0. Freedom to participate and to make others participate
> L2 access vs L3 access => access the network vs peering with the
> network => joining th commons vs extending the commons
> 1. Freedom to communicate using the network for any purpose without
> interception or interference - and free of charge
> 2, The freedom to modify and improve the network, including the ability to
> access, author and distribute information about how the network functions.
> ? non-(private?)-profit with the network itself
> not really sure if this must be at this level (could/should be placed
> in the licence)
> Fair profit [guifi] - can be legally enforced
> Transit inside the network should be free
> Guifinet: Difference between Network and content. Access to the
> Internet is content
> internally must be free. to get outside might be charged
> Precaution that we maintain actual freedom - problem with Creative
> COmmons is that much that is licensed under CC is not actually free
> (non-commercial)
>
> Additional concerns (very likely not to go to the def/license but as
> recommendations)
> The freedom to know the ecologial impact of the hardware?
> The right to ask for the information about the hardware?
> fairness as a restriction?
> running free software?
> distribured property (multistakeholder)
> is not a request, but it is recommended
> Cannot charge a fee to interconnect the commons.
>
> Access to knowledge as a fundamental principle:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_to_knowledge_movement
>
> Three themes here:
> Free Network
> Community Network - owned by the community
> Profit / Non-profit
>
> overlay net. vs physical net
> we are talking about phy
> what about mixed overlay+phy networks (e.g. fon)?
>
> difference between the picopeer agr and our efforts
>
> *)*) licence
> FNF proposal
> http://commons.thefnf.org/index.php/Network_Commons_License
> creative-commons-like incremental license proposed by Mitar at Oakland (?)
> suggestion: confront with statistics of CC in terms for flavours used
> examples of additional clauses:
> - free software only
> - ecological footprint
> - not for profit
> - owned by the users?
>
>
> Membership
> ???
>
>
> =Action Items=
> * Isaac: Take 'owned by its users' out of the preamble
> * Annemarie will pass around suggestions for legal frameworks
> * Isaac: compare the picopeer agr and our def
> * roger: rewrites these notes and sends them to the ml
> * christian: contacts a RIPE college
> * jenny: send notes to the list
>
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> Jenny
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> "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
> -Laurie Anderson
>
> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
> -Hannah Arendt
>
> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
> -Stéphane Mallarmé
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