Yo's- Since I couldn't make it in person... Hypothetical: Assume the existence of intelligent computers that can make autonomous decisions, which many folks believe will become a reality in the near future. Alice Analyst publishes virus source code in an online computer security publication. So far that's clearly protected speech, nobody here would argue otherwise. Bob Badguy reads the article and types the code manually into a computer, with the overt or covert intent for the computer to broadcast the virus and infect other computers. Does it matter whether the computer into which Bob enters the virus source code, is an ordinary computer that does what it's told, vs. an intelligent computer that has the capacity to make autonomous decisions? Clearly if the computer is an ordinary one that is not capable of autonomous decisions, then Bob's typing of the virus code into it would constitute an "action" rather than "speech," and would not be protected. He could be successfully prosecuted for unleashing the virus upon the world. But if the computer is an intelligent one that can make autonomous decisions, then could Bob rightfully claim that his typing of the virus code into that intelligent computer was _also_ protected speech, merely an exercise in communication with another sentient being, the same as Alice's original publication? -G. ===== On 13-03-01-Fri 8:22 AM, Eddan Katz wrote: Dear Kopimists and the People who Love Them. For the featured Filo delicacy for Friday Filosophy, we will have potato burekas. I propose we talk about the difference between source code, object code, and executable code in regards to 1st Amendment protection. In other words, when is code speech and when is it a speech-act subject to less legal protection? Below is an excerpt from an essay by Lee Tien, a brilliant EFF attorney for more than a decade, on Software as Speech (2000). These two paragraphs are in the section: Viruses and other "dangerous" software. Of course, as always, we can talk about whatever else. Such as conscience and the unconscionable, perhaps. Lee Tien, Publishing Software as a Speech Act, Vol. 15 Berkeley Tech. Law Journal (2000) http://www.law.berkeley.edu/journals/btlj/articles/vol15/tien/tien.html Let’s return to the virus hypothetical.192<http://www.law.berkeley.edu/journals/btlj/articles/vol1… The main concern lies in the fact that the software may be “diverted” toward unlawful purposes, regardless of the speaker’s intent. This concern is, however, not unique to software. It also applies to other types of information usable for mischief or harassment, whether highly technical like information about nuclear weapons, or utterly mundane like a person’s name, address or telephone number. Even if the virus author merely posts the source code and fails to release it in active form, the issue remains whether the posting was done with an intent to communicate. If the author claims that she intended it to communicate, we would need to examine the context to decide the plausibility of that claim. There will often be a plausible claim. There is no question that people study viruses and other dangerous software in order to prevent or relieve harm.193<http://www.law.berkeley.edu/journals/btlj/articles/vol15/tien/t… One way to control a virus is to publish its source code so that systems operators can disable or protect against it. Communicating a virus’ source code as part of such an effort qualifies as a speech act because the publisher intends to communicate how the virus works in a conventional way. In fact, one could imagine entire journals or Internet sites devoted to viruses and other dangerous software.194<http://www.law.berkeley.edu/journals/btlj/articles/vol15/ti… When such publications aim to alert the world to these dangers, their intent is clearly communicative. sent from eddan.com _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing listsudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.orghttp://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

Do Robots Have Rights? - I'm planning to submit that as a suggested session topic for the next Workshop Weekend. It seems to me that whether or not an autonomous system is a sentient being seems like a primary hurdle that can't be passed in order to even answer the question of where responsibility should fall in a way that makes sense to us. I can't imagine computational entities will ever have the intent we mean in contemporary society for us to call the damages it causes a crime. Not only as a matter of the capacities of technical engineering, but even by definition of what we mean by: (1) act; and (2) intent; and (a-b) what knowledge is, in the context of both. As far as I can understand such a question in terms of motive, I think responsibility should lie with the anticipated capabilities of the technology created by the programmer(s)/designer(s). Software Malfunction Liability - we have become convinced that that kind of analysis is too remote and unfairly misguided. I most definitely agree that it's hard to say what an engineer should have known, especially if the act was committed by any further iteration of the program in the autonomous system in the example. But I think we can get closer to confident about reckless design, and even grossly negligent design - not to mention unconscionable, which would make the best case for assigning liability on the designer. On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Steve Berl &lt;steveberl(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ Kopimism mailing list Kopimism(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/kopimism