Sorry, just catching up on emails now.

I think an intentionally cooperative process would look like this:

1) Let's all join the facilities@sudoroom.org mailing list.
2) Jake, make a list of what needs done. Numbered. Specific. "Configure setting X; configure setting Y; Run Test Z."
3) Send the list to the facilities@sudoroom.org mailing list, and invite help. If you're going to be working on this on a specific day, say, "If someone wants to help, I'll be working through setting all the configurations next Tuesday. If you're there, we can work in parallel."

Something like that. 


Andrew R Gross, (he/him)
412.657.5332    -   shrad.org


On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 8:40 PM Yardena Cohen via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
Given the lack of engagement here, or on the wiki page you made, I'm going to assume "intentionally cooperative process" was not quite what you had in mind and maybe was just code for "yar back off"

On Thu, Mar 2, 2023, 7:46 PM Yardena Cohen <yardenack@gmail.com> wrote:
So, for starters, I think the hostname "sudogateway" is suboptimal
because it serves all of omni (not just sudo), is currently not the
only gateway, presumably will be replaced in the future just like
saros, and may no longer be a gateway at that point. If I want to
change the hostname, who would I ask and how?

Can we maybe create a slack or discord or irc channel so conversations
like these can happen easily? I understand that Marc is doing a lot of
this setup work, but I have not found it easy to reach him these days.

On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 4:02 PM Yardena Cohen <yardenack@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm definitely in favor of an "intentionally cooperative process",
> though I feel that's pretty vague, and a bit awkward considering that
> decisions have already been made so far which were neither inclusive
> nor documented. It's also hard not to take it personally, as I tried
> very hard to be inclusive and transparent and timely when I set up
> saros. I admit that I did not always update the wiki page, but I was
> always prepared to if anybody else showed a real interest, and was
> always happy to answer questions of anybody who asked.
>
> This would not be the first time that people in our community set a
> very high bar for a project, watch someone fail to meet that high bar,
> jump to conclusions without directly talking to them, attribute their
> failures to malice or personal negligence, assume that the best
> solution is to replace that person, and then find themselves making
> the exact same mistakes in the exact same ways.
>
> On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 1:03 PM Jake <jake@spaz.org> wrote:
> >
> > OK I started a wiki page.  I'm glad you have a lot of changes you made, and
> > people have appreciated the work you've done over the years to admin the
> > routers, but I look forward to a more intentionally cooperative process.
> >
> > https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Sudogateway
> >
> > I'm not very good at Wiki formatting but I tried to put a few lines in there
> > to get it started.
> >
> > We just paid our first complete Monkeybrains bill, less than Half of our LMI
> > bill, so it will be really neat when we can finally unplug LMI.
> >
> > -jake
> >
> > On Tue, 28 Feb 2023, Yardena Cohen via sudo-sys wrote:
> >
> > > I can start a wiki page if you like. But until I get some clarity,
> > > please rest assured that I have a log of all changes I make. So far
> > > all I've done is apt-get install a few utilities.
> > >
> > > Also please note for the record, if you look in /home/yar/backup on
> > > saros, you will see a record of every system configuration change
> > > since I installed it in 2017. I never do things without a paper trail.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 8:16 PM Yardena Cohen <yardenack@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Ok well I don't see any recent changes related to this box yet, or
> > >> even a page set up for it - so how's that systematic process going? Am
> > >> I expected to start one myself?
> > >> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 7:22 PM Jake <jake@spaz.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> it's "operating" in the sense that it's in the process of being configured,
> > >>> and we plugged a single WAP into it in sudoroom so that people could make use
> > >>> of it.  There is still a lot of work to be done to set it up and I want us to
> > >>> be systematic about the process and use the wiki for all changes, so that
> > >>> there is no single person who has to be asked about things, and people can
> > >>> cooperate on maintenance of it.
> > >>>
> > >>> I have added your account and sent codes through signal
> > >>>
> > >>> -jake
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, 28 Feb 2023, Yardena Cohen via sudo-sys wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I have been asking for access to the new router for a couple weeks
> > >>>> now, and people told me it wasn't ready. Now I see it's apparently
> > >>>> already operating? Please give me access.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ssh-ed25519 AAAAC3NzaC1lZDI1NTE5AAAAILMr+EGaBTbbmdYesr/VrXeWjjILOA9zHxqq9ZA3N6nK yardenack@gmail.com
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