On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 4:55 PM Jake <jake@spaz.org> wrote:

Thank you so much for working on this stuff Lucas!!!!! We do need a lot of
cleanup in the public-facing wiki pages like what you're working on, so it's
really helpful. Once people get to know us, they can better deal with the
state of flux that we've been existing in, but it helps to get people in the
door by making our front door look good!

Just specifically to answer this:
> I would have preferred making monthly payments with Paypal over Stripe, BTW.

I don't know how our system implements "monthly payments" with Stripe, but i'm
guessing PayPal doesn't have the same API and maybe doesn't offer that - if
that's the case, then Sudoroom wouldn't be able to implement a monthly payment
through paypal.

That said, there would be nothing keeping a person from setting their
sudo-humans payments to nonexistant/0/off and just remembering to send paypal
payments every month from their end. We haven't been reviewing people's
payment status as a condition of membership (although we do need to start doing
more to increase our monthly income) so it wouldn't break anything that way.

thank you!
-jake

On Tue, 26 Apr 2022, Lucas Gonze via sudo-discuss wrote:

> In https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Gratipay:
> 1. rewrote text suggesting gratipay is still in use
> 2. linked to correct current target - https://sudoroom.org/membership/
>
> In the membership page at
> https://humans.sudoroom.org/~username/edit/sudoroom (where ~username is
> replaced on the fly by the username) there should be some text explaining
> that the form gets sent to Stripe without stopping at sudoroom.org. However
> since this code is being replaced by humans-v2, working on v1 doesn't make
> sense. And working on v2 is delicate because I would need to ask for the
> Stripe API token, which I shouldn't be given until people here know me
> better.
>
> I would have preferred making monthly payments with Paypal over Stripe, BTW.
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 9:14 AM Lucas Gonze <lucas@gonze.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe v2 is private while under construction. A lot of OSS devs do that so
>> they can reach a minimum level of quality before inviting people in.
>>
>> Questions:
>> 1. What's the timeline on delivering v2?
>> 2. How does v2 of humans relate to the wiki? My guess is that there are no
>> plans to update the wiki.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 9:05 AM Eric O'Connor <eric@oco.nnor.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Why is the code for v2 being developed closed source?
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Apr 21, 2022, at 21:49, Andrew R Gross via sudo-discuss <
>>> sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Mine is andrewrgross
>>> *Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
>>> 412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:27 PM Lucas Gonze <lucas@gonze.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks. I'll do a pass.
>>>>
>>>> Github username lucasgonze.
>>>>
>>>> -Lucas
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:38 PM Jake via sudo-discuss <
>>>> sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> presently we are running sudo-humans version 1, originally written by
>>>>> substack.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://github.com/sudoroom/sudo-humans
>>>>>
>>>>> it's to be replaced by sudo-humans-v2 which is a completely new project
>>>>> written
>>>>> by others:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://github.com/sudoroom/sudo-humans-v2
>>>>>
>>>>> payment processing is handled by Stripe, and we don't store any payment
>>>>> data as
>>>>> far as I know. We definitely need improved awareness of whether
>>>>> payments are
>>>>> going through or not, and I think the new version does that.
>>>>>
>>>>> ralso we're adding the database of access cards to the system so that
>>>>> people's
>>>>> cards to buzz the doors open are managed through this portal. That way
>>>>> people
>>>>> can update their own access cards.
>>>>>
>>>>> if you want access to the -v2 link, I or d0n can add you!
>>>>> just remind me your GitHub username
>>>>>
>>>>> -Jake
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022, Andrew R Gross wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Awesome! What do you need to do that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jake, who currently has access to the financial processing code of
>>>>> sudo
>>>>>> humans?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
>>>>>> 412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 10:43 AM Lucas Gonze via sudo-discuss <
>>>>>> sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Glad to meet people last night.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will happily take on updating the payment page on the wiki.
>>>>> Thinking of
>>>>>>> this in the context of the conversation about groups, there may be
>>>>> other
>>>>>>> people who want to collaborate, at least to the extent of vetting
>>>>> what I
>>>>>>> write.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 9:50 PM Jake via sudo-discuss <
>>>>>>> sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Eric!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm so glad you joined. I guess that was you in IRC and to answer
>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> question about whether there are people in sudoroom, one can always
>>>>> visit
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> jitsi terminal at the following link:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://meet.waag.org/turtlesturtlesturtles
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -jake
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 20 Apr 2022, Eric O'Connor wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Lucas,
>>>>>>>>> I am sitting next to you at this meeting!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Eric
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2022, at 19:23, Jake via sudo-discuss <
>>>>>>>> sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Lucas! Welcome to sudoroom!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> we are definitely behind on improving the wiki pages describing
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> onboarding
>>>>>>>>>> process! We have been relying on meeting people who come to the
>>>>> space
>>>>>>>> (as well
>>>>>>>>>> as those who contact us online, thank you!) and checking in to
>>>>> see if
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>> want to become members and get involved.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I always tell people that they can come to the space anytime we're
>>>>>>>> having an
>>>>>>>>>> open event, like Hardware Hacking Tuesdays or JavaScript
>>>>> Thursdays, or
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>> anyone is present on a Wednesday night during the meeting, or
>>>>> anytime
>>>>>>>> members
>>>>>>>>>> are present to hold the space open.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I also tell people that anyone can start donating at any time,
>>>>> and it's
>>>>>>>>>> encouraged! You can sign up for an automatic monthly donation
>>>>> using
>>>>>>>> Stripe
>>>>>>>>>> through our Sudo Humans system:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://sudoroom.org/humans
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I can't wait for you to get to know us so you can start helping
>>>>> update
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> wiki!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> did you know you can read back in this email list and see what
>>>>> we've
>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>> talking about for years?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/hyperkitty/list/sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> will you be at JavaScript Thursdays tomorrow night?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Will you join the sudoroom meeting and say hi tonight? I think
>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>> at 8PM and
>>>>>>>>>> will be at https://meet.waag.org/turtlesturtlesturtles
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> oh yeah, here's the email reminding us about the meeting tonight:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/hyperkitty/list/sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org/thread/IAS7N2BCQC5GKTWXXUFCMZC7F2VRRYJD/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> nice meeting you!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -jake
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 20 Apr 2022, Lucas Gonze via sudo-discuss wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello hello.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The FAQ (
>>>>>>>>>>> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/FAQ#How_do_I_become_a_member?)
>>>>>>>>>>> suggests I introduce myself, so, yeah, hello!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> More about me: https://github.com/lucasgonze/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I was going to put a few dollars in, but the instructions on how
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> do that
>>>>>>>>>>> rely on Gratipay, which is long gone. Is there an alternative
>>>>> method
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>> days?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -Lucas
>>>>>>>>>>>
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