Assuming there are no objections, I definitely agree that we should make both the code of conduct and the safer space policy prominent on the website and wiki.

Jenny's description of openness suits me. Although I know I previously said that maybe it should be more specific, Jenny's description sort of made me realize that maybe openness doesn't really have as much vagary as I thought. I don't want to make this any longer than needed, and maybe we all kinda get what openness and transparency, etc mean enough that more words aren't necessary, unless anyone else wants to.

Jenny's thoughts also remind me of The Platinum Rule: "Do unto others as they'd like done unto them". Perhaps we could phrase this as,

"We recognize that different hackers have diverse preferences in working and collaboration styles and seek to accommodate one another flexibly. We communicate with each other in the manner each is comfortable with, and each act as stewards of our shared workspace with the intention to make it productive for others before ourselves. We ask one another their preferences directly to avoid making assumptions and invite one another to communicate their preferences candidly."

I'm concerned that might be a little too poetic rather than direct, though. Although I've included it to give people options, I think I'd prefer something a little more straightforward, like this:

"Please maintain the cleanliness of the space to prioritize its shared use above personal use. Be aware that the more frequently you are in the space, the more actively you should work to make it available to others, both through chores like emptying the trash and behavior, such as offering workspace and tools to others."

"Seek to communicate with others in the ways they prefer. Ask their preferences for conversation or technical advice rather than assuming."

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On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 4:12 PM Jenny Ryan via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:

Coming in cold here - but just to say, the Safer Space Policy on Omni's wiki was directly adapted from Sudo Room's, and I'm confused as to why its not clearly present on the sudoroom wiki....

I think the Safer Space Policy should be front and center alongside a Code of Conduct more explicit to these norms of behavior and responsibility being discussed - so am very much enjoying this thread :)

I would like to propose that we strongly align with community engagement:

1) openness to sharing knowledge [whilst avoiding obnoxious mansplaining and acronym-everything, sharing and asking in turn, spirit of co-learning - we all can learn from each other, of course];

2) attention to newcomers whilst not being overly so [consent-first]; and

3) active stewardship of the space [and by this I mean explicitly *not* domestic use (which is not just sleeping but also just "occupying the space" as a base of operations) - rather, initiating projects and tending to the space itself, its health and hygiene and accessibility - not just one's use of it for their own personal projects, though that's fine, but some level of helping to improve. Always leave the space a bit better than it was when you arrive, even if that's just taking out a bag of trash or wiping down a sink.

It is hard to code such things into a 'code of conduct' tho ;) Just wanted to share thoughts and ideas from being a sudoer since 2011!

go sudo go!

My two cents,

Jenny (who will return... someday soon... maybe tonight...?)

On 4/11/22 16:16, Eric O'Connor via sudo-discuss wrote:

Yeah, I agree that with the values and purpose/intent it’s more important to be specific. 

Especially because I think the stated intent (based on sudoroom’s wiki: social change, community engagement, etc.) is actually quite a bit more ambitious relative to, say, Noisebridge, whose vision statement is (paraphrasing) “provide infrastructure and opportunities for people interested in <various art/technology topics>”. 

What does openness and “hack the planet” mean to you? Why are those things important as values? Are those things also our intent, or is there a separate mission/purpose? 

Eric 

On Apr 11, 2022, at 13:26, Andrew R Gross <arg5029@gmail.com> wrote:


These are great. Personally, I don’t feel the need to overthink things or reinvent the wheel, so I’d be pretty happy to adopt the community standards pretty much unchanged. I’m happy to help people edit it as they see fit, but I think it’s overall definitely good enough.

I think the statements of values are similarly pretty good, although I’d like to edit them to be a bit more specific. For instance, I think articulating what openness means, and what what it means to hack the planet, and why, and in the pursuit of what outcome. But again, I’d say they’re good enough that I’d support them as is if others wanted to take the path of least resistance.

On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 9:33 AM Eric O'Connor <eric@oco.nnor.org> wrote:
Here’s some resources from Sudoroom’s wiki and other hacker/maker space pages that could be useful reference material. 

I like how Noisebridge has a specific guidelines on community norms. 

How is sudoroom’s purpose different from these other communities? 
Part of it might just be a geographical niche, but there are probably intentional cultural differences as well? What are those? 

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From the Wiki :
  • We're into technology and where it intersects with social justice, sustainability, education and solidarity.
  • We strive to be an open, transparent, horizontal and welcoming community where all are supported and free to learn, create, gather, collaborate, work, play and more! .
  • We've got tons of tools for you to use from a 3D printer to public computer terminals, Math projects, a big huge library and all kinds of gadgets!
  • We are exclusively volunteer-run and supported through donations!! Learn more about membership.
  • Our slogan is: HACK THE PLANET!

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Eric 

On Apr 9, 2022, at 22:51, Andrew R Gross via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:


Should we establish a statement of purpose and a code of conduct?

I think Sudoroom should adopt a code of conduct, because currently our only behavioral rules are the Omni Commons Safer Space policy: https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy

These rules are vital, but are limited to a broad set of wildy unacceptable behavior anywhere. They don't outline minor and hackerspace specific guidelines on ideal and discouraged behavior.

PB asked if we have any statement defining our most basic principle or goal, and while it sounds like there is a lot of diverse informal wisdom, there isn't a clear singular statement of intent. So I'd like to propose we agree on one of those as well.

I think a starting point for a code of conduct would be something like "Try to enhance the experience of others in Sudoroom and avoid impeding it", and then we could go into a few more specific examples like cleaning up, asking people if they'd like companionship or space when working in the space at the same time, etc.

I don't have any clear suggestions for what our statement of purpose would be, but I like the values of justice and openness.

Thoughts?

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