[DisasterRadio] hello

Mitra Ardron mitra at mitra.biz
Fri Sep 24 00:06:43 PDT 2021


It seems to be way too early to do large volume production, but there 
would be an intermediate solution if there was a 3D print shop that 
could do them on demand, though the enclosure Sam suggested might be 
better for smaller volumes.

- Mitra

On 24/9/21 3:18 pm, Code Bus wrote:
> It is possible now to bring the tooling cost down if the job shop is 
> set up to use 3D printed low-run tooling. One can print a mold from 
> high temp resin and get between 50 and 150 parts out of the machine 
> before the mold becomes unworkable.
>
> Not saying that's the path which would work well for Mitra, but it is 
> something to consider asking the factories that you have a 
> relationship with. Making an enclosure could be feasible even in 
> low-run production, if there were enough interest - and a non-WIP PCB :]
>
> - code
>
>
> Sep 24, 2021, 03:10 by taylorhayis at icloud.com:
>
>     For what it’s worth Mitra, in my day job I develop products -
>     often from plastic. I design injection moulded parts, have a full
>     CNC machine shop at home including 3d printing, and relationships
>     with factories in China and Australia. An enclosure like this is
>     about a $10k tool, and no more than $0.40 per set (front and back
>     clamshell) with an MOQ of 2000pcs or so.
>
>     If there was a final footprint / PCBA, making an enclosure
>     wouldn’t be a particularly expensive or complex endeavour. That
>     assumes someone is going to mass produce these however.
>
>     If you need something 3D printed or machined moving forward
>     however, shoot me a message
>
>>     On 24 Sep 2021, at 11:20 am, Mitra Ardron <mitra at mitra.biz> wrote:
>>
>>     Code
>>
>>         Yes, I meant the one on the video.
>>
>>         3D printing is a totally fine way of doing an enclosure in
>>         low volumes, but is a massive difference in both reality and
>>         "cost" between buying something on Alibaba or just via paypal
>>         from someone who has built them before, and something only
>>         available as a CAD/3D printer file. I've gone through the
>>         process of finding a 3D printing shop, and getting something
>>         made, with a less than 50% success rate, and a one-off is
>>         always more expensive as even a good shop has to allow for
>>         the likely cost of getting it wrong the first time.
>>
>>         One of the advantages disaster.radio potentially has over
>>         some of the other solutions its the potential for geek-free
>>         setup and install. I can figure it out, but most of the
>>         villages around here - who could use a setup like disaster
>>         radio - don't have a resident geek, and trying to find a 3D
>>         printer to print a one-off certainly puts it in the
>>         needs-a-geek bucket.
>>
>>         The enclosure Sam suggests sounds a better candidate, though
>>         it needs the panel mounted separately.
>>
>>     Sam
>>
>>         I'll try that enclosure you suggest - its a good price. But
>>         I'm wondering, have you tried using one of them with the
>>         other parts in that part list? How did you handle mounting to
>>         and getting the aerial out, Are those connectors the right
>>         size for that, without looking in detail at the components
>>         I'm guessing it would want the small connectors for the solar
>>         panel cable but its unclear if the 4-8 or 9-12 connector
>>         would be best for the antenna proposed - I think the smaller
>>         (the antenna says 8mm)
>>
>>
>>     On 24/9/21 7:10 am, Code Bus wrote:
>>
>>>     What enclosure are you referring to?
>>>     If you mean the one featured in the video, you're free to make
>>>     them yourself. The design exists as CAD and in 3d printable
>>>     formats in the github repository. It is not less "real" simply
>>>     because it hasn't been mass produced.
>>>
>>>     Otherwise, like we've suggested, you can follow the Aliexpress
>>>     parts list and make a working device, or use any enclosure
>>>     designed to prevent water ingress.
>>>
>>>     Sep 23, 2021, 20:46 by mitra at mitra.biz:
>>>
>>>         Thanks Sam
>>>
>>>         I was looking at the enclosure shown on the image on
>>>         https://disaster.radio/ and thought that might have been
>>>         real :-(
>>>
>>>         - Mitra
>>>
>>>         On 23/9/21 10:30 pm, sam at bristolwireless.net wrote:
>>>
>>>                 Can you clarify what the current state is - i.e. if
>>>                 I got the boards, built a pair of units, and flashed
>>>                 it - then would the chat and map apps talk over it.
>>>
>>>
>>>             Yes that should be possible. You can buy them
>>>             pre-flashed if you want to miss that step:
>>>             https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000396836096.html
>>>
>>>             If using the webapp you only get a chat.
>>>
>>>             If you use the Android app then you get a chat and a map
>>>             AFAIK.
>>>
>>>                 By the way ... I notice there is a bad link to the
>>>                 enclosure on https://disaster.radio/build/
>>>
>>>
>>>             Thx started fixing that link here:
>>>             https://github.com/sudomesh/disaster-radio-website/pull/12
>>>             awaiting someone to approve.
>>>
>>>             This was the enclosure used:
>>>             https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000452268197.html
>>>
>>>             It's fairly obvious how to put it together, but there
>>>             are some instructions here too:
>>>             https://hackaday.io/project/170069-disaster-radio-lora-mesh
>>>
>>>             Thanks
>>>
>>>             Sam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                 - Mitra
>>>
>>>
>>>                 On 23/9/21 10:49 am, Code Bus wrote:
>>>
>>>                     The project lacks a maintainer with enough time
>>>                     to really give it the care it needs.
>>>                     I've been spending my free time trying to modify
>>>                     the firmware for the v3 dual-module prototype,
>>>                     it is slow-going.
>>>
>>>                     Other LoRa boards seem to work pretty well with
>>>                     the firmware in its current state
>>>
>>>
>>>                     Sep 22, 2021, 20:37 by mitra at mitra.biz:
>>>
>>>                        I tried to find out what was happening with
>>>                     Disaster Radio, by
>>>                        asking here - got zero responses :-( its
>>>                     really hard to figure out
>>>                        if there is anything going on that is useful
>>>                     to connect with :-(
>>>
>>>                        On 23/9/21 9:48 am, Greg Troxel wrote:
>>>
>>>                            eM Grzegorz<emgrzegorz at interia.pl>
>>>                         <mailto:emgrzegorz at interia.pl>
>>>                         <mailto:emgrzegorz at interia.pl>
>>>                         <mailto:emgrzegorz at interia.pl> writes:
>>>
>>>                                Hi,active list?Grzegorz
>>>
>>>                            Sort of.  When people ask, someone
>>>                         answers.  But not much seems to be
>>>                            happening.  I do have the impression that
>>>                         those on the list wish there'd
>>>                            be more activity, and that most of them
>>>                         sort of hope to contribute.  I
>>>                            of course do not speak for the coalition.
>>>
>>>                            Perhaps you can tell us why you're
>>>                         interested and what you'd like to see
>>>                            as highest priority.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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