[Mesh] coop ISP

Thu Feb 13 14:02:25 PST 2014

Just as a point of reference, the approach we are taking here in Kansas City is
as follows:

The network itself is a commons: anyone can join and participate by building.
Internet service is just that: a service that runs on top of the network. The
idea is to have a really free market for internet access that uses shares a 
common infrastructure. In this way, service providers (which would ideally be
cooperative) have an interest in maintaining and expanding the network.

imw

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:52:09PM -0800, J.C. wrote:
> There's also an interesting talk from 30c3 on a federated ISP model...
> 
> http://media.ccc.de/browse/congress/2013/30C3_-_5391_-_en_-_saal_6_-_201312291130_-_y_u_no_isp_taking_back_the_net_-_taziden.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Jacob Levin <jjflevin at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > If others want to spend some time tonight talking through what a
> > cooperatively owned ISP could look like, I'd love to be a part of that
> > discussion. Some folks from Mondragon's University just held an event on
> > cooperatives on Tuesday in SF and I talked with Ricardo from SELC a little
> > bit about IT cooperatives. If we try and get a picture of how a cooperative
> > might operate within and in partnership with the mesh tonight, I'd be happy
> > to stop by the SELC legal cafe next week and get answers on whatever
> > questions we come up with.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:00 PM, <mesh-request at lists.sudoroom.org> wrote:
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> >>    1. Re: BSC $10,000 Development Grant (Mitar)
> >>
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> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 15:52:37 -0800
> >> From: Mitar <mitar at tnode.com>
> >> To: Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: "mesh at lists.sudoroom.org" <mesh at lists.sudoroom.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Mesh] BSC $10,000 Development Grant
> >> Message-ID: <52FC0945.3080905 at tnode.com>
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> >>
> >> Hi!
> >>
> >> > Jeremy and I are applying to this grant for our food worker coop ;)
> >>
> >> Amazing!!! :-)
> >>
> >> (I am not sure what food worker coop is, but still amazing. :-) )
> >>
> >> > I think the more relevant applications, the better.
> >>
> >> Yes!!! Please, spread the word, apply. Personally, I really think that
> >> people should try to create more coops, it is a very good way for a
> >> social change.
> >>
> >> > On the other hand, I think it could work if a group of Berkeleyans
> >> wanted
> >> > to coordinate a group to start their own "mesh cooperative" since this
> >> > seems to be a vibe of many of the folks we've talked to in Berkeley,
> >> > students and other residents alike. Any such "mesh cooperative" could
> >> > participate in The People's Open Network and work in close coordination
> >> or
> >> > simple solidarity with Sudo Mesh.
> >>
> >> Yes!
> >>
> >> And they do not have to be from Berkeley. Grant are not targeted only to
> >> Berkeley area.
> >>
> >> Maybe also think about a coop which would build on top of mesh network.
> >> In guifi.net (Spanish community wireless network with 15k+ nodes) whole
> >> small companies already work inside the network, providing different
> >> services and so on. There are people who would like and are able to pay
> >> to become a member and they want also technical support. A coop could be
> >> that. Or maybe some service on top of it. Or it does not have to be mesh
> >> related, but still something which would integrate mesh at some point
> >> later on. Personally, I really like the idea of IT coops, so instead of
> >> startups, you create a coop. You do the same thing, only all workers own
> >> the company.
> >>
> >> One step further is also that you make all your customers own the
> >> company as well. So not only workers, but customers also become members
> >> and then you together determine prices. A friend of mine had an idea for
> >> a farming cooperative, where they would connect multiple small farms
> >> together to be able to fulfill big orders, but also customers would be
> >> members of this cooperative.
> >>
> >> Do not forget that there can be many different types of cooperatives,
> >> like housing, worker, and consumer coops.
> >>
> >> For an inspiration, the biggest cooperative, with 14 billion EUR in
> >> revenue and 80k employees. Check what all they do:
> >>
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation
> >>
> >>
> >> Mitar
> >>
> >> > On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Mitar <mitar at tnode.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi!
> >> >>
> >> >> I must say that filing for a coop status only to get this grant is a
> >> >> bit... The idea of this grant is to help people who really believe in
> >> >> cooperatives as means to a social change and need help with this. If
> >> you
> >> >> really want and believe in cooperatives and you want to be a
> >> >> cooperative, then this is a great opportunity.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Mitar
> >> >>
> >> >>> Could we still file for coop status under the umbrella of SudoRoom?
> >> >>> On Feb 11, 2014 11:35 PM, "Mitar" <mitar at tnode.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Hi!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Just a comment. This money is awarded if you want to create a coop
> >> as an
> >> >>>> entity/business. Not only if project is cooperative in spirit.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> But I do encourage you to apply if you have any coop idea. Friends of
> >> >>>> mine (they were at Mass effect) (Derek and Mikey) are for example
> >> >>>> creating an IT coop (where mesh is a part of their ideas). (If
> >> anybody
> >> >>>> has any contacts with other IT coops in the area, if they are any,
> >> >>>> please tell me to forward them.)
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> So yes, this is a great opportunity. It is yearly. Spread the word
> >> >> around.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Mitar
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> If anyone is interested in writing an application, the Berkeley
> >> Student
> >> >>>>> Cooperative has announced a $10,000 cooperative development grant
> >> for
> >> >>>>> cooperative projects that serve students or underserved members of
> >> >>>>> low-income communities within the SF Bay Area
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> https://sites.google.com/a/bsc.coop/eacom/co-op-development-fund
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Applications are due 11:59 pm, Sunday March 9th.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I am still interested in starting an extension to the mesh in
> >> Berkeley
> >> >>>>> starting within the co-ops. This might be a nice way to get the
> >> central
> >> >>>>> management on board, too and bring a bit more funding for hefty
> >> >> backbone
> >> >>>>> equipment / more nodes.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Lemme know if you all have questions. Still have a PicoStation
> >> sitting
> >> >>>>> around waiting for mesh firmware to be loaded on!
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Nader
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
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