[sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class

[rusty lindgren]

+1 for both of you... This is a skilled trade.  The police don't show up at
lock-smith schools.  Just relabel the training skilled trade workshops.
 Done.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

>
> Re. Shawn:
>
> In no way am I suggesting that we start "working with the city or law
> enforcement officers on reporting who shows up at events or assist them in
> doing so," any more than the radical Quakers did.
>
> What I _am_ advocating is to open the lines of communication and point out
> that if the city is truly concerned about badguys showing up, they can send
> someone along to hang out and observe for themselves.  What they're going
> to see is a room full of geeks learning an oldschool mechanical skill.
> More likely they won't bother, in which case their objection can be
> dismissed as meaningless.
>
> (BTW, I've known how to pick locks since my naughty phone phreak days in
> highschool, when the word "tweet" was slang for the 2600-Hz "clear tandem"
> signal, not a friggin' commercial brand for neo-telegrams dressed up as
> something cutting-edge.)
>
> As for comparing "'known gang member'" to "the more privileged class":
> that's postmodern BS.  The #1 killer of young black men in Oakland isn't
> police bullets but gang bullets.  So where are the outraged protests in
> front of known gang enclaves, eh?  This isn't an abstraction: a young black
> man I knew was killed in a drive-by.  As for "privileged class," about 1/3
> of SudoRoom members are unemployed, and many are borderline-homeless.  A
> few more "privileges," such as full-time jobs that pay decent wages, would
> be a good thing.
>
> -G.
>
>
> =====
>
>
>
>
> On 13-02-28-Thu 12:09 AM, Shawn Lesniak wrote:
>
> On 2013-02-27 23:52, Anon195714 wrote:
>
>  Yo's-
>
> On the other hand, the Mayor could send along a plain-clothes detective
> to hang out and keep an eye open for known gang members etc.  "Just say
> Honeypot!", and we're doing the city a favor.
>
>
>  ...
>
>  Does anyone here have good relations with anyone in Oakland city gov,
> and want to volunteer to get the lines of communication open?
>
>  I would be uncomfortable showing up at this event or other sudoroom
> events if we were working with the city or law enforcement officers on
> reporting who shows up at events or assist them in doing so.  It is not
> any more illegal/immoral/wrong for a 'known gang member' to show up at a
> class than one of the more privileged class.
>
> -Shawn
>
>
>
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Cheers,

Rusty Lindgren
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