[sudo-discuss] [HELP] Oak Tech teacher requests space 6hrs/1x/month **starting Sunday**

[Vicky Knox]

Three last clarifications (please ask if you need any others):

1. The program did not cover the cost of renting a space, and Vivienne did
not pursue sponsors, but rather gathered money out-of-pocket. I did not ask
her her reasons for raising money independently, so I cannot weigh in with
any analysis. I could try asking her if any of you find this fact relevant.
2. The money she raised went straight (technically still a check in my
possession) to George to temporarily rent the smaller dance space for just
that Sunday.
3. For what it's worth, when I spoke with George about the practice, he was
(at least at that time) amenable to having high schoolers at 2141 should
they be equipped with signed parental waivers.
On Oct 14, 2013 12:25 AM, "Vicky Knox" <vknoxsironi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Marc's response is justified, though I reject the language of the two
> opening questions.
>
> My conversation over the phone with Vivienne lead me to believe that she
> was participating in a competition organized by her school and I didn't
> carefully scan the email explanation that she sent me afterward to send to
> the list. I am really down about my oversight and apologize for it.
>
> I did learn the details of the competition's funding when she and a
> colleague came to see the space and pick up the key the night before their
> practice, and at that point I processed the explanation of the sponsorship
> much differently than Marc. While she is not happy about the sponsor,
> Vivienne's justification of pursuing this event was that this was a great
> opportunity for her students to get a hold of resources and a learning
> environment they would otherwise not have had. She wanted to be able to do
> this event at a hackerspace because her ultimate goal was to use this
> competition as a bridge to connect to a critical, hacker community (for
> what this bridge is worth, given the obvious discrepancy). I felt at once
> uneasy and understanding. I respect the sentiment that she expressed that
> she needed to take the opportunity that was there, just as I am not quick
> to jump to judgment of many of my bright and fascinating friends back home
> who were in a position in which they (felt that they?) needed to join the
> military in order to realistically afford higher education. That said, I
> stand with Marc in my rejection of the military industrial complex (or
> whatever you would like to call it), but I do not know the answer to more
> nuanced questions of access to aspirational education within a race-class
> divided society. I invite your conversation.
>
> If Marc or anyone else would like to bring up this topic at the general
> meeting, I could not make it this Wednesday but am available the following.
>
> Vicky
> On Oct 13, 2013 7:31 PM, "Marc Juul" <juul at labitat.dk> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Vicky Knox <vknoxsironi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Do you all have any recommendations on how to expedite this? What is the
>>> current status of the large room and using it for  events?
>>>
>>> For background, this teacher origianally contacted info at sudoroom but
>>> never got a response, and called the SR number today, slightly frantic. I
>>> think it would be really awesome if we were able to help her out. This
>>> event seems quite an incredible opportunity for young people.
>>>
>>
>> What? What have you been smoking?
>>
>> The Air Force Association's CyberPatriot? Sponsored by Northrop Grumman?!Why are people assuming that this is something sudo room wants to support
>> or in any way encourage?
>>
>> This sounds terrible. I am going to take this up at this Wednesdays sudo
>> room meeting. I am completely against anything like this happening in or
>> near sudo room in any way shape or form. I do not believe I am alone in
>> feeling like this. I am both surprised and very disappointed that a
>> critical and sceptical approach was not taken in dealing with something
>> like this on behalf of sudo room.
>>
>> --
>> Marc
>>
>
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