[sudo-discuss] Kapital & ideas (long posts), was Re: Sudo! Wanna co-host this surveillance event?
GtwoG PublicOhOne
g2g-public01 at att.net
Wed Feb 5 00:16:28 PST 2014
Yo David and anyone else who is up for a long read or three-
(Apologies for the delay writing back, I had a pile of work to clear.)
Agreed, there are times when one has to choose one's fights, and not
everyone chooses the same fights at the same times. Looks like we agree
about fair use, anonymity, mesh, and the movement for self-ownership of
personal data.
Fighting back with ideas:
Majorly agreed re. "fight back ...with ideas." And "...all the tech in
the world won't help if people don't give a hoot because they're too
exhausted by the Spectacle-induced trance of capital etc. to care, or
don't see why its necessary or in their self-interest." This point is
HUGE, and it's rare to find others in the tech universe who get it. Too
often we confuse the tools with which we build, and the things we build,
with the purposes for which we build.
Martin Luther King had a dial phone and a typewriter. He changed the
world with the power of his ideas. Today each of us has a supercomputer
on our desk and/or in our pocket, and can reach an audience of millions
in the time it takes to blow our noses.
What we lack is an idea: but not just "an" idea, rather a set of ideas,
an ecosystem of ideas that, taken together, open a new view of the world
and ourselves in it, and inspire people to think deeply and act
courageously.
We've inherited a fortune in ideas from all of history, and yet it
appears that something is missing, something that could form a bridge
over which we can walk from the past and present into the future.
Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that happiness is not
identical with meaning.
The Spectacle and the circuses can produce happiness, but what they
don't produce is a sense of meaning. Instead we're told, often by our
peers, that the most rational view is that life is meaningless, that the
universe has no purpose, and that only a religious or romantic fool
would believe otherwise. But two NOTs don't make an AND: so what we're
left with is a proverbial hole in our soul and nothing to fill it. "The
universe is DEAD!" is hardly a rallying cry for sustainability, much
less for revolution.
I'm willing to take a chance on an idea, and call BS on the "life is
meaningless" meme. In point of fact the best available science shows us
that the sense of deeply felt meaning in relation to something greater
than self, is hardwired in our very brains, over the course of Darwinian
time. It has been one of the necessities for passing the tests of
natural selection throughout human history, and will continue to be so
in the foreseeable future.
With that bit of empiricism under our belts, we can use what nature has
given us and seek out the objectives of our sense of meaning and purpose
in this new world of ours. Life is as inherently, intrinsically, and
un-commodifiably meaningful as we can see, hear, reach out for, and act
on. Seeking the objectives of meaning is how we'll discover the ideas
we so badly need.
Money, information, and essence:
Money can be represented in ordered bits, and the vast majority of the
world's money today is just that. As no configuration of bits is
thermodynamically privileged over any other, configurations are
orthogonal to thermodynamics (I have a couple of thought-experiments to
support that assertion).
It would be an impressive magic trick to convert something physical and
impermanent, into a Platonic "form" that is eternal. Yet this is
exactly what Kapital does with human labor: feed a human some calories,
extract the converted energy of labor as a commodity, and exchange it
for configurations of bits that are immune to entropy.
"...massive informationalization of our lives and in our language, of
experience and of concepts..." You make an excellent point here. First
I should say that I'm using the term "information" in a broader sense
than "data," including the "stuff" that makes up the entire set of
contents of conscious minds. But you're making a really important
distinction here, and I think we should start using it and trying to
make it go viral.
What you're getting at with "language... experience... and concepts..."
is that there is something qualitative about us that does not readily
reduce to "information" as "data." David Chalmers and others have
lately started getting rather bold about bringing back an oldschool term
for this, that I think we should adopt: qualia.
Here we run into a kind of dualistic problem roughly analogous with the
physics of light as particles and waves. Language is clearly
transmissible in binary bits (and in analog waveforms), and experience
and concepts can be described in language. To that extent, these things
have an objective or quantitative existence. But concepts and
experience are only describable, and not truly reducible in any sense.
As with your example about roses (and noses): Even if we understood all
of the chemicals produced by the rose, and everything that occurs in the
nose and the brain to perceive the smell of roses, that knowledge is
entirely distinct from the direct experience of smelling roses. That
knowledge does not enable us to predict what the subjective sensation of
smelling roses will be like. (Thankfully we don't have to worry about
the internet monetization of smells yet: we don't have smelleos, much
less YouSniff, and puritans trying to legislate against "pornolfactory"
by saying "it's hard to define but you know it when you smell it!")
Qualia are different to objective knowledge. Neither is "better" than
the other; and we as humans live at once in both of those worlds.
The attempt to reduce experience to bits is not the fault of science,
but the fault of those whose goal is to relentlessly monetise everything
in existence without limit. Again, it's all about trading in
configurations of bits. This configuration of bits that convey
someone's emotions on their Facebook page, for that configuration of
bits that convey an advertiser's payment into Facebook's bank account.
This configuration of bits that convey your thoughts and mine in email,
for that configuration of bits that convey a data broker's payment into
Google's bank account.
It's the most efficient form of human energy-conversion possible, even
"better" than slave labor because it's "voluntary" and humans do it
constantly. Perhaps Google's NSA-like AIs that scrape Gmail for every
microgram of commodity value, will read what you and I are saying, and
achieve something like Buddhist enlightenment. More likely, we'll get
red-flagged as philosophical subversives who might disobey their
consumption quotas.
"...its a real mythology that needs unpacking." We're doing that right
here. All we need to do is put our ideas together, yours and mine and
anyone else who wants to jump into this, and find a way to get them out
to a wider public than this obscure mailing list.
Math, markets:
Your critique of math converges with the point about qualia. But in
this, we can differentiate between math as Platonic forms that describe
certain aspects of nature, and math as an instrumentality for extracting
energy-conversion (surplus value) from organisms.
Markets aren't rational: agreed. Someone got a Nobel in economics for
saying that in a bunch of peer-reviewed papers and/or a book.
Though, game theory isn't a "total fail." In fact it predicts why
globalization is bad. Experiments run with humans playing Prisoner's
Dilemma discovered something interesting: if you only play one round,
your self-interest advantage is to "defect" on the other player to gain
your freedom at the expense of his/her incarceration, rather than
"cooperate" with him/her to obtain freedom for you both. Thus it became
the conventional wisdom that self-interest always entails screwing-over
the other person.
But then someone ran the game in "multiple iteration" mode, where the
same two players go through it multiple times. Under that condition it
turned out that the self-interest advantage is to "cooperate" with the
other player rather than "defect" on her/him.
The result is: single-iteration rewards defection; multiple-iteration
rewards cooperation.
OK, so how does that apply to globalism? In a localized economy, you
encounter the same people over and over again: your economic
transactions with others are multiple-iteration play, and this rewards
cooperation, not screwing the other guy/gal. In a globalized economy,
one can engage in single-iteration play again and again and again, all
around the world. One can screw-over the locals and then move on,
finding someone else to screw-over before the bad reputation catches up.
Globalism rewards those whose self-interest strategy is "repeat
defection," in other words, rewards sociopaths. And, lo & behold, since
globalism has become the dominant paradigm, we see the emergence of a
whole new class of economic sociopaths, as exemplified in the film _The
Wolf Of Wall Street_. The lead character in that film was if anything a
bumbling oaf compared to the master fraudsters who nearly destroyed the
economy in 2008 and then demanded and got gazillion-dollar "retention
bonuses" paid for by taxpayer bailout money.
Game theory tells us something important about how this happened, and
gives us a powerful tool to oppose it: economic localization, which
rewards cooperation.
"Scientific rationalism is in a way a beautiful dream, like a wonderful,
utopian idea, and a nice way to organize a representation of the
world... [but] we don't operate, for even one millisecond, as rational
creatures." Sometimes we do operate as rational creatures, but I agree
that for the most part we don't.
For the most part, emotions determine behavior, and reason comes along
after-the-fact with an explanation. I can explain some of the
neuroscience behind that statement, but the main thing is, we agree
about the importance of emotions and qualia as factors in human
experience and the choices people make (or don't make, as the case may
be).
>From our lengthy conversation in email, I'm getting a sense of an idea
or two that may be liberating: that qualia really matter, that we are
not reducible to bits, that our lives are not to be monetized, and that
our minds (our souls, if one prefers that language) are not to be bought
and sold. We are persons, not objects, and it is evil to treat a person
as an object. Each person has an entire universe within them. Each
person has an intrinsic and irreducible value. Cooperation, rather than
competition alone, is an essential in society, and people working
together can build something meaningful. Etc. etc. All of this has
been said many times before in other language, but it's time to update
the language to meet our present circumstances. The core message is
about the worth of each person, and the right of each person to be
self-determining, subject only to the limit of not harming others.
Dude, you are awesome.
-G.
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On 14-02-03-Mon 6:43 AM, David Keenan wrote:
> damn, g. when you write you right.
>
> You're completely on point - but of course, I actually do care a lot
> about this issue. All I was inferring is once in a while the time
> comes to just shift productive energies into a new paradigm and maybe
> stop playing whack-a-mole with unsecurable modalities like email, and
> instead work on using something better to replace it. Same with the
> declining fair use and vanishing anonymity of the internet in general
> - the wonderful work the mesh folk are doing are to me a really big
> part of this solution. I almost mentioned something about
> appropriation (or feeding biting hands styrofoam peanuts) as a tactic
> being a noble way to cannabilize and take back our infrastructure that
> our tax dollars largely built, so I am 100% with you there. I have
> also said many times myself how we need to start a movement to have a
> right to data about ourselves, so I am thrilled to hear you say the
> same thing. Absolutely.
>
> When it comes to the event, we need to fight back with technological
> tools, but also with ideas. Not sure which is more important (or if
> thats even worth asking), they might be equal, but for me it comes
> down on the side of ideas, as all the tech in the world won't help if
> people don't give a hoot because they're too exhausted by the
> Spectacle-induced trance of capital etc to care, or dont see why its
> necessary or in their self-interest. I fully support the cryptoparties
> - what we also need are the crypto-semantic frames i guess, to help us
> put this fucking insane world where companies pirate and monitize our
> digital lives into a moral logic everyone, even our grandmas, can all
> intuitively grasp and therefore resist. Drive the demand as it were,
> for 'privacy'. I see events like this being part of that conversation
> on the side of ideas, but the cryptoparties, and making them less
> technically abstruse, are the other half for sure. Theory + practice =
> praxis, we need both.
[I have to break up your long paragraphs into shorter ones for
legibility; I'm dyslexic and my eyes have trouble tracking lines in
large blocks of text.]
>
> You know the only thing I'm not totally sure I agree with is that
> money is information..if we're talking about money and not capital I
> might agree, if we're talking about capital (which of course is not
> just 'money') I'm too tired to know if I agree or not.
>
> On the one hand, I am wary of what I see everywhere as a massive
> informationalization of our lives and in our language, of experience
> and of concepts... a scientism really thats always trying to quantify
> the qualitative - or at least, valorize the former and dismiss the
> later, if it cannot transmute it. Its a naturalizing, essentializing
> cultural phenomenon wherein we are led to simply accept without
> question that the essential aspect of anything in the world is
> ultimately 'information':
> Music is 'information', plants are 'information', we - online and in
> our 'genes' and 'dna' - the universe - are fundamentally reduceable to
> codes, chemical properties, etc. I suspect this aspect of our culture
> is tied to capital ideology (marx: 'they don't know it, but they are
> doing it') and biopower (think Patrick McCuehen saying 'I am not a
> number! I am a FREE MAN!'), although I can't think of how right now,
> because as I said I'm pretty tired, but anyway its a real mythology
> that needs unpacking, or totalizing kool-aid that needs a bit of
> unslurping.
> Nothing against 'information' or using 'information' as but one
> metaphor with which analyze the workings of the world, but we should
> never mistake our tools of analysis - i.e., our abstracted
> representation of reality, like calling the smell of a rose
> 'information' - for reality itself, and it seems like that's whats
> actually happening at some level. We must be epistemologically
> reflexive and catch ourselves before we fall into that trap. So, I
> have to think a lot before I decide that money is 'at its root'
> essentializable as 'information', too.
>
> Along the same lines another argument against money as essentially,
> fundamentally 'information' thing is this notion that its ultimately
> governed by 'math', or that the cycle of capital exploiting our
> surplus labor value is ultimately governed by math, or that financial
> markets are ultimately governed by math.
> I'm not sure I agree, because markets are also ultimately governed by
> human beings, who are not just information, and human beings, as Plato
> well knew, but maybe Adam Smith and Descartes did not, are simply not
> rational. At all. This is in large part why game theory is a total
> fail, why people vote against their economic self-interest, and also
> why people are not outraged at the deprivation of their digital
> liberty, etc.
> Scientific rationalism is in a way a beautiful dream, like a
> wonderful, utopian idea, and a nice way to organize a representation
> of the world, but it is not /the/ world, and we don't operate, for
> even one millisecond, as rational creatures. Just as we do not build
> up the world out of a series of concepts - we just ARE in the world,
> all at once, and from that, we think of concepts to organize it with,
> for ourselves. We are subject to cognitive and emotional centers in
> our brain that were indirectly induced to connect in accordance with
> certain decidedly a-rational cultural ways and mores through processes
> of socialization of which we had no control...
>
> Folks are tempted to think about 'math' as something pure, a religion
> practically, but how often do people get reflexive about math? Like
> the fact that we can't conceive of 'math' without also simultaneously
> conceiving of metaphors that have nothing whatsoever to actually do
> with math, but without which we could not perform math: If I say one
> is a 'higher' number than two, that has no strictly mathematical meaning.
> One is not 'higher' than two. An increase in quantity is not an
> increase in height. It's simply an increase in quantity. And yet
> numbers go 'up'. Makes no sense man...mathematically. But it does at
> the level of non-math, in real life, because if I pour you a glass of
> water, the quantity increases as the level rises. But what if we lived
> in a society where I we poured water out on the floor and drank it
> from there. Would you say that numbers go up or down? Hm. So math
> itself is actually utterly imbricated with entirely qualitative
> dimensions that only make sense from the perspective of human
> experience. And so is not so pure: the basis for 'money', perhaps,
> after all.
>
> Sleep now. Good nite.. and thanks for your awesome email..
> -d
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 5:15 AM, GtwoG PublicOhOne
> <g2g-public01 at att.net <mailto:g2g-public01 at att.net>> wrote:
>
>
>
> David, it's not to your discredit, it's to the discredit of
> Kapital, and it's been foisted on the whole Neo-Proletariat, which
> is anyone making less than six figures a year (look up union wages
> in 1974 and then apply increases at the rate of inflation every
> year with compound interest: that's what we all _should_ be
> earning right now). We shouldn't blame ourselves for getting screwed.
>
> Here's another example of Kapital sinking its hooks into our
> brains (I'm quoting you here not to criticize you, but to
> illustrate how common this type of dynamic has become):
> "Personally, once I gave up on email qua email as being
> meaningfully secure, I sort of stopped caring who my provider was."
>
> The emotional narrative in that sentence is: "...once I gave up...
> I sort of stopped caring..."
>
> That's what the Bigs want us to do: give up and stop caring, the
> better to spend our efforts producing and consuming. And they are
> enormously clever at how they go about it: too much work, just
> enough bread, and plenty of circuses. About which more below
> under "Kapital."
>
> Where you say "I really don't have an answer for this one," that
> makes the vitally important point that we ALL need answers to
> this. The fact that we don't have comprehensive answers and
> solutions shows exactly where our efforts need to be.
>
> Agreed, email is broken. IMHO the whole internet architecture is
> broken (don't get me started;-) but in any case we need new
> infrastructure and a solid collaborative effort to build it. Not
> just "good enough for coders & geeks to use" but "good enough for
> your grandmother to use without you providing tech support." You
> shouldn't have to _teach_ people to use crypto: it should be
> built-in, with nothing more than a check in a box to
> encrypt/decrypt email. The global community of hackers can build
> all of that and much more if we choose.
>
> Good point about "metadata" being a euphemism to obscure the fact
> that it's OUR data. In the past I've used the term "CDR" for
> "call detail records," a telephony term that has lately been in
> the news since it's what NSA gets from our phone calls (date,
> time, calling number, called number, duration of call); it could
> also be used to refer to email to/from addresses and subject
> headers. But "OUR data," emphasis on OUR, is better, because it's
> so direct and assertive.
>
> This translates to something specific we should be demanding:
> personal ownership of all data about ourselves, without
> compromise. Treat it like copyright with exceptions for fair
> use. Make the maximum demand, so that when the usual attempts at
> legislative watering-down occur, we still get something better
> than if we had tried to "be reasonable" and "pre-compromise" our
> demands.
>
> If it's necessary to use Facebook for publicity, the way to do it
> is by using a fictitious name & email address for the FB account,
> and then putting up a message on the Facebook page saying "find us
> _here_ (link)," which goes to a website on a more trustworthy
> hosting service. Then, that website does not have the accursed
> Facebook beacon-button on it that lets Facebook follow people
> around like a stalker. (Anyone who can't bother clicking a link
> that goes off Facebook, isn't worth the effort to reach.
> Seriously.)
>
> That's the answer to having to feed the hand that bites: Feed it
> styrofoam peanuts with no food value. Use its own infrastructure
> sparingly and temporarily, as a way to get people to leave it
> behind. For example, one of the topics at the surveillance event
> ought to be a how-to for getting the snoops & stalkers out of our
> lives: dumping Google, installing security apps on your browser,
> installing an OFF switch in your mobile device, etc., all with
> specifics: this email service, this app, here's where to find it,
> how to do it, etc.
>
> About Kapital:
>
> Karl Marx got it almost-right, but "surplus value" is an
> abstraction: the real deal is the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
> Kapital depends on "energy conversion." What humans are to
> Kapital, are highly efficient energy-converters that turn calories
> into money. The abstraction layer is between the work output of
> the human organism, and the translation of that into money. At
> root, money is energy converted to information. And information
> is ultimately Platonic, governed by math and orthogonal to
> thermodynamics.
>
> The goal of Kapital is to extract every calorie that's not needed
> to keep the energy-converters producing and consuming. Latest
> example: Amazon's patent for "predictive shipping," where they
> send you things that you haven't ordered, but Amazon predicts
> you'll want, on the premise that you'll probably keep them.
> Translation: people will pay for the "stuff" because they're too
> tired to deal with the hassle of returning it. Amazon predicts,
> humans acquiesce.
>
> The reason that so many people "give up and stop caring" is that
> they are being sucked dry. Think of all the "too tired" moments
> and what they have in common.
>
> In the end, the scam is self-limiting. Kapital thrives on the
> exponential function: the unlimited growth of money and the
> economy despite the limits of a finite planet. Kapital will break
> as it runs into resource limits, including the limits of humans to
> relentlessly produce and relentlessly consume.
>
> -G.
>
>
> =====
>
>
>
>
> On 14-02-03-Mon 2:33 AM, David Keenan wrote:
>> Matt, I will bring up your point at the next organizing meeting
>> for sure. Thank you for being willing to sponsor.
>>
>> Yardena - your point is exceedingly well taken, as I sit here
>> from my gmail account, writing about how if want to do the event,
>> we should post it on facebook...sigh.
>>
>> To my discredit, I really don't have an answer for this one
>> except that in my opinion, email as a medium is itself an
>> inherently broken means of secure communication, a lotta people
>> on sudo have google accounts, and yeah sudo posts regularly to
>> facebook, which is why I asked.. Sometimes you have to reach out
>> to people in an archaic medium they already grok - like on a
>> listserv, or fb - in order to tell them that is maybe not The
>> Best Way.
>>
>> Personally, once I gave up on email qua email as being
>> meaningfully secure, I sort of stopped caring who my provider
>> was. Or teaching people how to encrypt their message content,
>> only to have them never get that doesn't secure their attachments
>> or the "metadata" or render messages readable from the web from
>> any device anymore or or or (I kind of hate the term metadata
>> btw, as in mass culture 'metadata' has seemingly come to infer
>> something other than 'our' data, and as if metadata is not also
>> our data, just like our non-meta data).
>>
>> But yes for sure, if we care about 'privacy', we DO need to be
>> off fb (and onto building up diaspora or something similar), and,
>> we need to be off email. And use some darkmail, or otr or a
>> private forum or something else.
>>
>> I feel like for us to all get off fb, we need a real alternative
>> to go to, and a campaign. Same with email. But before we build
>> that up.. using fb/email or not using it, it seems like being
>> caught between a rock and a hard place when trying to promote an
>> event but not feed the biting hand, you know?
>>
>> As this is precisely the position I feel like the system of
>> capital as a whole places us in, far beyond mark zuckerberg and
>> google and 'big data': We can't help but feed the hand that bites
>> us. We 'need' to be bitten, so our traumatized, bitten selves can
>> feed somebody or something else..often while simultaneously
>> handing a bite to somebody else less powerful, as in in the case
>> of gentrification. If that partially re-inverted idiom still
>> makes any sense..which um, no, looks like it doesn't. Well.
>> Sorry, tired. But I totally get you.
>>
>> Yeah. Tired.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:12 AM, GtwoG PublicOhOne
>> <g2g-public01 at att.net <mailto:g2g-public01 at att.net>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Re. "what does the rest of sudo think?"
>>
>> Microphones & cameras on shot-spotters? What about the
>> software-controlled mics & cameras on smartphones, that
>> people carry into indoor places where the DAC cameras and
>> mics can't go? If it doesn't have a physical OFF switch or a
>> removable battery, it's always ON.
>>
>> NSA snooping your metadata? What about Google Mail and
>> Google Voice scraping the full content of both sides of every
>> email & conversation for everything down to the level of
>> "sentiment analysis" which is a euphemism for spying on your
>> emotions? "Targeted advertising" is a distraction; Big Data
>> is the real product.
>>
>> DAC data center creepy? What about Facebook creepy, and Sudo
>> having a Facebook page, even as Mark Zuckerberg spends $16
>> million to buy up every house on his block, so his neighbors
>> can't do unto him that which he does unto others...?
>>
>> Big Power is inherently corrupt wherever it resides. Big
>> Data is Big Power. Even if it has good marketing, cute
>> logos, total convenience, free apps, free games, and endless
>> entertainment.
>>
>> Corporate power says "don't bite the hand that feeds you."
>>
>> Resistance says "don't feed the hand that bites you."
>>
>> -G.
>>
>>
>> =====
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14-02-02-Sun 11:12 AM, David Keenan wrote:
>>> Jeremy - Of course! And we should.
>>>
>>> what does the rest of sudo think?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 2, 2014, Jeremy Entwistle
>>> <jwentwistle at cryptolab.net
>>> <mailto:jwentwistle at cryptolab.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think that's an amazing idea. How to do you feel about
>>> the mesh and our cryptoparty (2/23) being mentioned? As
>>> both are very practical methods of promoting secure and
>>> decentralized communications.
>>>
>>> On 2014-02-01 21:58, David Keenan wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> The Bay Area Public School has scheduled a
>>> surveillance awareness
>>> event on Friday 2/21 7-9pm in the common room
>>> entitled Spied Upon:
>>> Surveillance & Resistance. I was hoping we (sudo)
>>> could co-host this
>>> event with BAPS, because I think it'd be really cool
>>> if we start doing
>>> more events together. BAPS can do most all of the
>>> setup, but it'd be
>>> great if Sudo can do outreach too, since I think
>>> it'd be in the
>>> interest of both communities.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> There's a twofold focus on informants and
>>> technological surveillance.
>>> Here's the Sudo Room calendar EVENT LINK [1].
>>> Details are below -
>>>
>>> SPIED UPON: SURVEILLANCE AND RESISTANCE
>>> Join us Friday February 21st 7-9 pm at the Bay Area
>>> Public School [2]
>>> & Sudo Room
>>> 2141 Broadway (enter on 22nd), Oakland - three
>>> blocks from 19th St.
>>> Bart!
>>>
>>> Between the ever-present fear of informants to the
>>> profusion of
>>> metadata collection and the construction of the
>>> Domain Awareness
>>> Center [3] (DAC) in Oakland, the growing problem of
>>> surveillance has
>>> made it into the mainstream dialog, but the people
>>> and communities
>>> most affected are sometimes being left out of the
>>> conversation.
>>>
>>> Join us for an evening of ideas, discussion and
>>> questions about
>>> solidarity in the face of this intimidation. How do
>>> we support one
>>> another and our movements when being targeted by
>>> police, surveillance
>>> and informants? What are the legal, community and
>>> political responses
>>> that can best keep the larger "us" safe and allow
>>> our movements to
>>> flourish?
>>>
>>> - SPEAKERS -
>>> JASON KIRKPATRICK, filmmaker and activist, will show
>>> clips of and
>>> discuss his upcoming film, _SPIED UPON_ [4].
>>> Interviewing activists
>>> across the world and telling his own personal story,
>>> Jason will take
>>> us on a journey into one of Europe's biggest
>>> political surveillance
>>> scandals, documenting growing movements of
>>> resistance to surveillance
>>> along the way.
>>>
>>> ZAHRA BILLOO, Civil rights attorney and Executive
>>> Director at the Bay
>>> Area COUNCIL ON AMERICAN-ISLAMIC RELATIONS [5]
>>> (CAIR), speaks on the
>>> use of informants in a post-9/11 context, their
>>> impact, the
>>> community's resistance and lessons learned.
>>>
>>> RICHARD BROWN, Black Panther and member of the SF8
>>> [6], will share his
>>> history with undercover police and surveillance,
>>> imparting the 'long
>>> view' of solidarity learned from a lifetime of activism.
>>>
>>> - PANEL DISCUSSION -
>>> Q & A with the speakers will follow in conversation with
>>> representatives from:
>>> BAY AREA ANTI-REPRESSION COMMITTEE [7]
>>> BAY AREA COALITION TO STOP POLITICAL REPRESSION [8]
>>> (at AROC)
>>> LEGAL WORKERS OF THE NATIONAL LAWYERS GUILD [9] (NLG)
>>> OAKLAND PRIVACY WORKING GROUP [10] (OPWG / anti-DAC)
>>>
>>> All donations gratefully received will go to the Bay
>>> Area
>>> Anti-Repression Committee and the Legal Workers at
>>> the Bay Area
>>> chapter of the NLG - two groups long supporting the
>>> Bay Area radical
>>> community with legal and educational assistance.
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> Links:
>>> ------
>>> [1]
>>> https://sudoroom.org/ai1ec_event/spied-upon-bay-area-premiere-baps/
>>> [2] http://thepublicschool.org/node/36455
>>> [3] http://oaklandwiki.org/Domain_Awareness_Center
>>> [4] http://spiedupon.com/
>>> [5] http://www.cair.com/
>>> [6] http://www.freethesf8.org/who.html
>>> [7] https://oaklandantirepression.wordpress.com/
>>> [8]
>>> http://araborganizing.org/campaigns-our-work/coalition-to-stop-political-repression/
>>> [9]
>>> http://www.nlgsf.org/national-lawyers-guild-mission-statement
>>> [10] https://oaklandprivacy.wordpress.com/
>>>
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