[sudo-discuss] Call for Facilitators / Participants in a sudo Men's Group

Tue Feb 25 12:55:26 PST 2014

Tossing my hat in!  Been wanting to start men's feminist circle myself.  I
wonder if we can make this a skype call in or something.  <3    Also, just
read this great little MVC essay which makes me think about hackerspace
interactions a lot
http://modelviewculture.com/pieces/ceo-archetypes-7-joan-of-arc

On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks Max for filling out your availability! Other interested parties,
> please do so here: http://when2meet.com/?1557201-cZIKf
>
> Thanks Jenny for the cc, (Hi Tom), and that sounds like a great first
> agenda item for this little cluster, easily done on the sudo room wiki or
> Noisebridge wiki, or both.
>
> // Matt
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 1:47 AM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Something that might be fruitful is creating a list of resources and
>> readings that are more easily digestible by geek men in particular, and of
>> course humans in general. I'm cc'ing Tom from Noisebridge, who's been
>> organizing a feminist book group for men at Noisebridge over the past
>> couple of months.
>>
>> -totally unaffiliated ally of this proposal :)
>>
>> Jenny
>> http://jennyryan.net
>> http://thepyre.org
>> http://thevirtualcampfire.org
>> http://technomadic.tumblr.com
>>
>> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>  "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
>> -Laurie Anderson
>>
>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
>> it."
>>  -Hannah Arendt
>>
>> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
>> -Stéphane Mallarmé
>> ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> sorry, not "weekly" I don't know how frequently such a group should meet!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Max, this is great:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Be radical sudo men. Do your dishes, and smash the platetriarchy."
>>>>
>>>> But let's also meet and talk, I think it will be fruitful. Please share
>>>> your availability on this calendar, and we'll start a little weekly meeting
>>>> group. I favor Mondays in case folks have similar interests:
>>>>
>>>> http://when2meet.com/?1557201-cZIKf
>>>>
>>>> // Matt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Max Klein <isalix at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As I see it - or perhaps I am wanting to see it this way - this Men's
>>>>> group's purpose would be to combat mindlessly performing inculcated
>>>>> patriarchal motions. And in the process of de-conditioning yourself as a
>>>>> "man", becoming a convincing, subtle and non-naggy argument for other men
>>>>> to do the same. Slowly doing what we can do restore a gender equitable
>>>>> society, from our side (while knowing that we can't do it ourselves, that's
>>>>> the sort of thinking that got us here in the first place).
>>>>>
>>>>> So a thousand yeses to all of the above. But how do we do it? In
>>>>> person meetings? Too self selecting. Online? Not visible enough. Making a
>>>>> charter? Toothless. Doing volunteer work? Pointless doting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's my suggestion, and I'm open to more. Be radical sudo men.
>>>>> Do your dishes, and smash the platetriarchy.
>>>>> notconfusing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Ryan Bethencourt <
>>>>> ryan.bethencourt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Great idea and I'm in if we can keep the time commitment relatively
>>>>>> light
>>>>>> On Feb 19, 2014 9:12 PM, "Matthew Senate" <mattsenate at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Hey all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Positive responses at the weekly meeting. I started mulling it over
>>>>>>> more and would like to add:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm basically reaching out for help to men who would like to
>>>>>>> actively contribute to improving the performance of gender dynamics and to
>>>>>>> provide space for healing and support in sudo room. Please consider
>>>>>>> contributing, no experts required, just an open mind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Max,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have any particular resources in mind at the moment, want to
>>>>>>> be a bit open-ended, see what makes sense, then do some research and
>>>>>>> document along the way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> // Matt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Max B <maxb.personal at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think its a great idea!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Would you mind linking to some resources that have explanations of
>>>>>>>> what you're thinking about more specifically? I think people may have very
>>>>>>>> different ideas of what a men's group might do. I can do some looking
>>>>>>>> around later if need be.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On February 19, 2014 6:48:50 PM PST, Matthew Senate <
>>>>>>>> mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Hey all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wanted to reach out for some feedback. Seeking folks who would
>>>>>>>>> want to facilitate or participate in a men's group.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've previously participated in small groups like this and found
>>>>>>>>> them beneficial for various reasons. I would like to see if folks have had
>>>>>>>>> similar or different experiences.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The way I'm thinking about this would culminate in something like
>>>>>>>>> a regular meeting for men in the sudo room community to discuss relevant
>>>>>>>>> issues including those of identity, oppression, privilege, patriarchy,
>>>>>>>>> gender, sexuality, stereotypes, safe space, and mutual support.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This may not be the best or even a viable path to approach these
>>>>>>>>> topics, but I wanted to throw it out there to see if there is any interest.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>>>
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