[sudo-discuss] membership reboot?

[Jehan Tremback]

Eddan's got it right:

"Additionally, I think there may be some misunderstanding about what having
an open knowledge, commons-oriented set of agreements. The logic of open
knowledge systems is to celebrate the spread of these norms as they become
more widely adopted - concern about 'copying and pasting' seem to
perpetuate an exclusive rights kind of thinking."


On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:39 AM, eddan.com <eddan at sudoroom.tv> wrote:

> While I agree with concerns about top-down ownership, I think it is
> important to recognize their success in regards to diversity. Both in terms
> of who works there during the day and the kind of events they hold, I have
> been impressed by how connected the place is to the community - at any
> point in time you'll see a majority of people of color and more often more
> women than men - both areas in which Sudo Room has struggled with since its
> inception.
>
> Additionally, I think there may be some misunderstanding about what having
> an open knowledge, commons-oriented set of agreements. The logic of open
> knowledge systems is to celebrate the spread of these norms as they become
> more widely adopted - concern about 'copying and pasting' seem to
> perpetuate an exclusive rights kind of thinking.
>
>
>
> On Mar 24, 2014, at 8:55 PM, Yar wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 8:11 PM, Danny Spitzberg <stationaery at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> I'm currently renewing my HUB membership (already
> >> 3 years in, a really open-minded organizer is has their community
> engagement
> >> role) and was prompted to click agree/disagree with the following:
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >> So, my question: has there been any discussion around membership
> >> recruitment/ retention/ rebooting?
> >
> > I added this to our meeting agenda on a whim. Most of the discussion
> > was me being bitter about their co-option of language. Hol had the
> > quote of the night: "they're ctrl-v-ing the hell out of us", referring
> > to the Kopimist cut-and-paste mantra.
> >
> > I'd always been skeptical of them. Their fundraiser got 100k in one
> > night, and they charge $400/month for their co-working space. They
> > have paid positions, and their leadership appears hierarchical and
> > opaque. For example, there is no mailing list, only a glitzy
> > "newsletter". While I was inspired by their hosting Oakland Data Day,
> > I felt most of the value came from volunteer attendees. In other
> > words, where is that money going?
> >
> > This ridiculous video didn't help me take the "impact hub" concept
> > seriously: http://vimeo.com/35373512
> >
> > Put simply, Sudoroom is a grassroots organization and always will be.
> > Our ultimate goal is to serve our communities. I believe the HUB's
> > ultimate goal is to extract rent from our communities.
> >
> > After reading on Oakland Wiki yesterday that their building is owned
> > by Signature, the same developers behind Brooklyn Basin, I believe all
> > hypothetical good faith I had in that project has vanished. It's
> > marketing, marketing, marketing. You could argue the HUB is not their
> > landlord, but then why are they naming their new building complex "The
> > Hive"? It turns out this "hive" also includes the 5 story condo
> > building a block from Sudo that has literally had a "now selling" sign
> > since we moved in two years ago. This is absolutely a collaboration
> > between speculators and gentrifiers in my mind, and I think it is
> > extremely gross and fucked up.
> >
> > To be honest, I think we'd be very wise as an organization to
> > explicitly distance ourselves from these kinds of projects.
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