[sudo-discuss] [omni-mediation] Today 4/4/15: Pidgen and Daren have been temp banned for safer spaces policy violations

[WIld Cat]

Helen what is your alternative for accountability?

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Helen Finkelstein <hefinkel at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I strongly disagree.  Banning is too drastic a measure for the problems
> that Darin has, and he has been making a serious effort to deal with them.
>
> There is long-standing hostility between Darin and Babs.   It would be a
> mistake for the OMNI to get involved in it.   Darin, at least, just wants
> to keep his distance.
>
> Helen
>
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 9:12 AM, WIld Cat <wildcatofthewoods at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> There has been many attempts to mediate with Darin but still he is
>> unaccountable. Therfore I think he needs  to be banned so that he can take
>> these issues in his life a little more seriously. Helen what is the
>> conflict that y'all are mediating?
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Kevin Laird <thegayscience at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> whoops. Always read to the end of the thread first...   -K
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Kevin Laird <thegayscience at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would speak with Darin. I would need to speak with whomever has been
>>>> working with him in the past first, is there an extant point
>>>> person/mediator/steward? Plz fwd me contacts or names.
>>>>   tracy I understand your frustrations, and yours as well, cat person,
>>>> but making the future happen requires a lot of patience!
>>>>
>>>>                 -K
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 5:04 PM, niki <niki.shelley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Adding the mediation mailing list to this thread in the hopes that
>>>>> someone will step forward to steward these conflicts towards whatever ends
>>>>> are in the community's best interest.
>>>>>
>>>>> <3
>>>>>
>>>>> Niki
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 3:37 PM, WIld Cat <wildcatofthewoods at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> These are community issues not personal issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Tracy Jacobs <kinetical at comcast.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sudoers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Respectfully can I suggest that you find another way to address
>>>>>>> issues of a personal nature and character assassinations or public shaming
>>>>>>> other than this public mailing list?  Why anyone would want to go to Sudo
>>>>>>> room after reading this  mailing list is beyond my comprehension.  And it
>>>>>>> really is a great place.  Can anyone think of another venue for these types
>>>>>>> of discussions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>> On Apr 4, 2015, at 2:41 PM, WIld Cat <wildcatofthewoods at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Daren returned to the space about 20 mins after trying to re-enter
>>>>>>> and said to me " Do you want to go a couplwe blocks away from here and
>>>>>>> handle this like an adult."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pidgen is claiming that I threatened her and I did tell her that
>>>>>>> "you need to chill out or some shit is going to happen" but I also
>>>>>>> clarified by saying "I am not threatening you with any form of violence."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Darin is claiming that Babs sexually assaulted someone but Darin did
>>>>>>> not give any details of what happened.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 2:00 PM, WIld Cat <
>>>>>>> wildcatofthewoods at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Today Pidgen was asked to leave in violation of the safer spaces
>>>>>>>> policy on an admitted account of sexual assault in the past as well as
>>>>>>>> recent behaviors of harassment. Daren was asked to leave in violation of
>>>>>>>> the safer spaces policy by aggressive  behavior (aggressive swearing,
>>>>>>>> intentional misgendering, inappropriate sexual comments (Told me in an
>>>>>>>> aggressive way that he liked phone sex, than began to yell at me.) He has
>>>>>>>> had a history of being banned from spaces for similar behaviors of sexual
>>>>>>>> harassment and inappropriate behavior.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would like to begin a mediation process for Daren and I do not
>>>>>>>> feel safe with him being in the space during such process.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To my knowledge there is an ongoing mediation between Pidgen and
>>>>>>>> Centi. that Pidgen has allegedly violated due to harassing behavior. Pidgen
>>>>>>>> has been banned from several other radical spaces for entitlement problems
>>>>>>>> - theft - aggressive behaivor - accountability issues.
>>>>>>>> I do not feel safe in the presences of Pidgen and would call on the
>>>>>>>> community to permanently ban Pidgen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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