[sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] [omni-building] Accessibility Liaison?

[niki]

Thanks, Ryan.

I understand your own fatigue / frustrations around accessibility issues
and I have to say, I'm grateful to you for having been willing to
illuminate of problems that, to be completely honest, many of us simply
hadn't been thinking about. I know it's difficult to have to confront that
kind of ignorance from people who purport to be in solidarity with people
who struggle with ableism.

I don't know who the person is that you think would be willing to help us
take this on (the person I spoke with on Sunday was very clear that they
were not willing / able to help us).

And Nick - let us know when you have resolved things w/Sudo if you're still
interested in pursuing this at that time.

N

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:

> niki, I understand your exasperation
>
> All I'm trying to say is that someone should be clear to her that there
> are quite a few people at the Omni who may be violently opposed to these
> types of accessibility requests, even though they seem completely
> reasonable because "The community is not some amorphous / boundless
> resource *nor* is it some perfect ideological object."
>
> I know I felt personally attacked and invalidated (and still do over a lot
> of the accessibility stuff) when bringing up a very similar topic and it
> might be useful to warn her that there's a very good and real chance people
> might be jerks to her about a very sensitive subject. Or that
> her proposals might get ignored/unheeded because the priorities of the
> space are elsewhere.
>
> I'm not saying it well because I am tired and personally hurt by a lot of
> the accessibility stuff.
>
> "I think it's reasonable to say that we haven't found someone who has the
> time / energy to take this on right now and that people who have concerns
> around these issues should perhaps wait to engage with us until we're in a
> more solid place. "
>
> This is exactly what the Omni should say wrt a lot of accessibility stuff
> in my opinion, and not what's been happening. Which is a major reason
> there's a lot of hurt.
>
> However, I do think that we *have* found someone who can take this on or
> at least help and see if we *can*. She should just uh, be warned that not
> everyone's on board.
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Nicholas Oakley <nickoakley510 at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Perhaps my reply was unseen ? There are many ways & dimensions for
>> accessibility issues.All of our concerns,ideas are important and valid
>> .However there are already certain standards that can be applied
>> intermediately as the Omni community continues to fine tune and
>> congeal its protocol.
>>
>> On 4/21/15, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Just reminding people what the original request was about, which was
>> > dealing primarily with the use of certain* building materials*:
>> >
>> > On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 8:06 PM, niki <niki.shelley at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> she was particularly concerned with building improvements and the
>> impact
>> >> on those with chemical sensitivities. [...]
>> >>
>> >> She asked us to not use any materials that will inhibit those with
>> >> chemical sensitivities from accessing the space and to create
>> >> communication
>> >> around our accessibility and needs.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I do think we should use materials that are low in volatile organic
>> > compounds (VOCs):
>> >
>> > - Paint: low-VOC paint is available, and doesn't cost all that much
>> more.
>> > Needless to say, also much more pleasant for the painters to work
>> with...
>> >
>> > - Particle board has a known issue with outgassing formaldehyde
>> throughout
>> > its lifespan. Sealing it can drastically slow that down. I bet there are
>> > low-formaldehyde options available as well, but haven't had time to look
>> > into this yet. Looks like there's some formaldehyde-free plywood at
>> least
>> >
>> > - Drywall / sheetrock: looks like there was a bit of a scare with
>> Chinese
>> > sheetrock, and with Chinese materials making it into US-made sheetrock,
>> but
>> > that may have been mostly an East Coast problem:
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.propublica.org/article/american-made-drywall-emerges-as-potential-danger
>> > http://debralynndadd.com/q-a/how-safe-is-sheetrock/
>> > "I called up Home Depot – where we had just bought drywall yesterday,
>> and
>> > the manager checked with his supplier. *All the California Home Depots
>> use
>> > natural gypsum mined in Mexico, and their drywall is Greenguard
>> certified.
>> > He said he thought it was the East Coast that used the synthetic
>> stuff*."
>> >
>> > This is all just based on 15 minutes of googling - if someone else has
>> more
>> > time to investigate, that would be greatly appreciated!
>> >
>> > Patrik
>> >
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