[sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] [omni-building] Accessibility Liaison?

[Ryan]

Ah! And now we run into the other issue of communication. I thought the
person on Sunday needed a liaison to work with the community and was going
to help and so I felt *that* liaison should probably work on informing the
person on Sunday that there might be nasty bumps on the road before driving
the car down it.

I don't have anyone in mind who's not completely overworked, but it looks
like Patrick is on the right road!

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 2:32 PM, niki <niki.shelley at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Ryan.
>
> I understand your own fatigue / frustrations around accessibility issues
> and I have to say, I'm grateful to you for having been willing to
> illuminate of problems that, to be completely honest, many of us simply
> hadn't been thinking about. I know it's difficult to have to confront that
> kind of ignorance from people who purport to be in solidarity with people
> who struggle with ableism.
>
> I don't know who the person is that you think would be willing to help us
> take this on (the person I spoke with on Sunday was very clear that they
> were not willing / able to help us).
>
> And Nick - let us know when you have resolved things w/Sudo if you're
> still interested in pursuing this at that time.
>
> N
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> niki, I understand your exasperation
>>
>> All I'm trying to say is that someone should be clear to her that there
>> are quite a few people at the Omni who may be violently opposed to these
>> types of accessibility requests, even though they seem completely
>> reasonable because "The community is not some amorphous / boundless
>> resource *nor* is it some perfect ideological object."
>>
>> I know I felt personally attacked and invalidated (and still do over a
>> lot of the accessibility stuff) when bringing up a very similar topic and
>> it might be useful to warn her that there's a very good and real chance
>> people might be jerks to her about a very sensitive subject. Or that
>> her proposals might get ignored/unheeded because the priorities of the
>> space are elsewhere.
>>
>> I'm not saying it well because I am tired and personally hurt by a lot of
>> the accessibility stuff.
>>
>> "I think it's reasonable to say that we haven't found someone who has
>> the time / energy to take this on right now and that people who have
>> concerns around these issues should perhaps wait to engage with us until
>> we're in a more solid place. "
>>
>> This is exactly what the Omni should say wrt a lot of accessibility stuff
>> in my opinion, and not what's been happening. Which is a major reason
>> there's a lot of hurt.
>>
>> However, I do think that we *have* found someone who can take this on or
>> at least help and see if we *can*. She should just uh, be warned that
>> not everyone's on board.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Nicholas Oakley <
>> nickoakley510 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps my reply was unseen ? There are many ways & dimensions for
>>> accessibility issues.All of our concerns,ideas are important and valid
>>> .However there are already certain standards that can be applied
>>> intermediately as the Omni community continues to fine tune and
>>> congeal its protocol.
>>>
>>> On 4/21/15, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Just reminding people what the original request was about, which was
>>> > dealing primarily with the use of certain* building materials*:
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 8:06 PM, niki <niki.shelley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> she was particularly concerned with building improvements and the
>>> impact
>>> >> on those with chemical sensitivities. [...]
>>> >>
>>> >> She asked us to not use any materials that will inhibit those with
>>> >> chemical sensitivities from accessing the space and to create
>>> >> communication
>>> >> around our accessibility and needs.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > I do think we should use materials that are low in volatile organic
>>> > compounds (VOCs):
>>> >
>>> > - Paint: low-VOC paint is available, and doesn't cost all that much
>>> more.
>>> > Needless to say, also much more pleasant for the painters to work
>>> with...
>>> >
>>> > - Particle board has a known issue with outgassing formaldehyde
>>> throughout
>>> > its lifespan. Sealing it can drastically slow that down. I bet there
>>> are
>>> > low-formaldehyde options available as well, but haven't had time to
>>> look
>>> > into this yet. Looks like there's some formaldehyde-free plywood at
>>> least
>>> >
>>> > - Drywall / sheetrock: looks like there was a bit of a scare with
>>> Chinese
>>> > sheetrock, and with Chinese materials making it into US-made
>>> sheetrock, but
>>> > that may have been mostly an East Coast problem:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> http://www.propublica.org/article/american-made-drywall-emerges-as-potential-danger
>>> > http://debralynndadd.com/q-a/how-safe-is-sheetrock/
>>> > "I called up Home Depot – where we had just bought drywall yesterday,
>>> and
>>> > the manager checked with his supplier. *All the California Home Depots
>>> use
>>> > natural gypsum mined in Mexico, and their drywall is Greenguard
>>> certified.
>>> > He said he thought it was the East Coast that used the synthetic
>>> stuff*."
>>> >
>>> > This is all just based on 15 minutes of googling - if someone else has
>>> more
>>> > time to investigate, that would be greatly appreciated!
>>> >
>>> > Patrik
>>> >
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