[sudo-discuss] [Mesh] Computers for the Public Setup+ ALERTS (DNS + Speed)
niki
niki.shelley at gmail.com
Fri Jul 24 18:34:20 PDT 2015
> In the past, I've had trouble getting La Commune to get back at all about
public terminals, which is why I'm frustrated > and done trying to deal
with them.
Ryan, I couldn't find any emails to LC from you re: public terminals in the
space. I'm very sorry if I missed something or perhaps there were
non-digital communications that did not bear fruit.
I'm not in a position to make any decisions with regards to this, just
wanted to make it clear that I was not in any way intentionally ignoring
any inquiries from you in the past!
I hope everyone can come to an agreeable solution.
<3
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
> This was well before they were taking a hiatus, unfortunately. But if
> they're not going to be open for a significant amount of time, I think it's
> reasonable to just find a space and if they decide it's not functional when
> they open, we can reevaluate from there.
>
> I'm also concerned about folks using the computer if it's available,
> rather than going upstairs, but I'm just really concerned about walking
> folks who can't go upstairs.
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 5:58 PM, max b <maxb.personal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We don't have a ton of laptops. We have a ton of netbooks. While that
>>> wouldn't be a problem in most cases for something like this, the smaller
>>> keyboard would be problematic for some users with mobility or coordination
>>> issues.
>>
>>
>> Ok gotcha. We do have a handful of usb keyboards that we could set up to
>> stay connected to one of the netbooks. Or we could use the laptop that
>> Uprising has mentioned they're going to bring over.
>>
>> I think that Lubuntu probably has the same accesibility features, but
>> I'll double check.
>>
>> In the past, I've had trouble getting La Commune to get back at all about
>>> public terminals, which is why I'm frustrated and done trying to deal with
>>> them.
>>
>>
>> Yeah and it does seem like they're taking a "hiatus". Perhaps we could
>> just move forward with what we see as a decent plan and assume that we'll
>> all be ok with eachother moving forwards in good faith.
>>
>> The average desk/table is about the right height for a wheelchair user,
>>> so I'm confused as to why we'd need to have it brought down or use a
>>> standing desk.
>>
>>
>> The only reason that Daniel and I were considering a folding down option
>> was to discourage folks from using it as a default instead of walking
>> upstairs to the terminals. It seems that people are sometimes drawn to the
>> closest monitor, and so they might be just immediately drawn to a computer
>> setup in La Commune. But just a thought.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We don't have a ton of laptops. We have a ton of netbooks. While that
>>> wouldn't be a problem in most cases for something like this, the smaller
>>> keyboard would be problematic for some users with mobility or coordination
>>> issues.
>>>
>>> In the past, I've had trouble getting La Commune to get back at all
>>> about public terminals, which is why I'm frustrated and done trying to deal
>>> with them.
>>>
>>> I know stock Ubuntu has most necessary accessibility software. I don't
>>> know if lubuntu would. I assume so. I might want to look into it more
>>> deeply.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 4:03 PM, max b <maxb.personal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Daniel and I were talking about maybe some sort of appropriate height
>>>> desk which would be able to fold down and then up and that would have a
>>>> laptop just permanently mounted to it. The somewhat obscurity of it paired
>>>> with some signage mentioning that there are plenty of terminals upstairs
>>>> and to please reserve this for folks who wouldn't otherwise be able to
>>>> access the other terminals.
>>>>
>>>> We have a ton of laptops btw - they're in storage under the stairs in
>>>> omni. Most of them need keyboard replacements (like $15 I think), but some
>>>> of them I believe are good to go. Just need someone to set up a mini
>>>> station. I would imagine it should be cleared with the La Commune folks,
>>>> although I have a feeling they'd be on board.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have a ton of cycles to build anything like that, but I'm
>>>> wondering if there's a stopgap solution that we could use - maybe just hide
>>>> one of the laptops somewhere around the La Commune Desk with a notice on
>>>> it? Would one of the netbooks with stock lubuntu installed on it be ok?
>>>>
>>>> Ryan, do you have any particular preferences for next steps?
>>>>
>>>> Also - I'm not super familiar with any other accessibility software,
>>>> but if someone pointed me in the right direction, I think it's probably a
>>>> good idea for all of our terminals to have a base set installed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Max
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That would be so amazing. Thank you so much.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you could put a note on it saying that it's for accessible public
>>>>> use so it doesn't immediately disappear into a project, that would be rad.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Uprising <hassanfathi at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>> I will dropping a laptop today around 6:PM it can be used the way you
>>>>>> guys feel like it.
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2015, at 11:29 PM, Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I haven't. :/ Maybe it would be better if it were a laptop that's
>>>>>> somehow secured somewhere but can be put away, so it doesn't take up space
>>>>>> when not being used by someone who needs it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:08 PM, danarauz at gmail.com <
>>>>>> danarauz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Makes sense, Ryan.
>>>>>>> So, have you found a place where we should work on?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or/and, would you like me to see if I can set the computer you were
>>>>>>> using (or another) below the desk as I mentioned it to you, so that the
>>>>>>> display its a better eye level?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 3:28 AM, Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think they should be near the entrance. If they are, they
>>>>>>>> will get used instead of the ones upstairs... meaning folks who need an
>>>>>>>> accessible computer won't be able to use it. Even if we put that they're
>>>>>>>> reserved for people with disabilities, they'll get used first. I guarantee
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 9:31 PM, danarauz at gmail.com <
>>>>>>>> danarauz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you Jenny, but the credit goes to everyone who organically
>>>>>>>>> participated; from building the tables and onto the final result.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ryan, I think the ideal would be to have one or two workstations
>>>>>>>>> near the entrance; but if not possible, then Jenny's idea sounds the best,
>>>>>>>>> imho.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Good to know!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Every time I've come by, it just seems like more and more have
>>>>>>>>>> accumulated over time. This just felt like critical mass, I guess. Maybe my
>>>>>>>>>> timing has just been weird.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> that's an unusual situation, brought on by some hacker not
>>>>>>>>>>> putting away whatever they were playing with. usually it's just the imac
>>>>>>>>>>> and a big monitor.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -jake
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2015, Ryan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, no, there were 6 monitors over on these tables, not
>>>>>>>>>>>> including the macs!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Made the space really unusable for hacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Kelly Peng <
>>>>>>>>>>>> ziqikelly at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Jake that those desk/monitor in sudo room
>>>>>>>>>>>> are more
>>>>>>>>>>>> for hacking, instead of for facebook/email. Ryan, the 2
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac and
>>>>>>>>>>>> one external monitor are mine, and I can remove two of
>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>> tomorrow
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>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If they are for hacking, I would suggest they not be used
>>>>>>>>>>>> for monitor storage. I'd move them myself, if I could
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 2015 1:35 PM, "Jake" <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> those desks in sudoroom are for hacking, not
>>>>>>>>>>>> for public facebook and email checking -
>>>>>>>>>>>> that's why we put the public terminals outside
>>>>>>>>>>>> sudoroom.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> i agree that there should be ground-floor
>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible public terminals, but not in
>>>>>>>>>>>> sudoroom (any more than there already are)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -jake
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2015, Ryan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sitting where the Mac is in sudo,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm thinking these tables might be
>>>>>>>>>>>> awesome for more "public use" and
>>>>>>>>>>>> less "using the computers tied to
>>>>>>>>>>>> other devices." I'd leave a
>>>>>>>>>>>> bit of space, to make sure people
>>>>>>>>>>>> have room for crafty-type stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>> but there's tons of monitors
>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting here anyway... I'll bring
>>>>>>>>>>>> it up on Wednesday.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 7:11 AM,
>>>>>>>>>>>> danarauz at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> <danarauz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> That sounds to me;
>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks! And, when you get
>>>>>>>>>>>> something ready, I would try to
>>>>>>>>>>>> leave early from work and meet you
>>>>>>>>>>>> then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 9:01 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I can try and do that
>>>>>>>>>>>> on Monday!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Weekends can be tough for me right
>>>>>>>>>>>> now because I'm only supposed to
>>>>>>>>>>>> leave the house 2-3 days a week a
>>>>>>>>>>>> la my physical therapist. But I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>> get in touch
>>>>>>>>>>>> after Monday and see what I can
>>>>>>>>>>>> find.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 6:30 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>> danarauz at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> <danarauz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Weekends are much easier for
>>>>>>>>>>>> me to meet you; but if needed,
>>>>>>>>>>>> weekdays evening is the other
>>>>>>>>>>>> option.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyhow, would you want to go ahead
>>>>>>>>>>>> and take care of finding the area
>>>>>>>>>>>> and of getting the okay from the
>>>>>>>>>>>> corresponding collective? Then we
>>>>>>>>>>>> can deal
>>>>>>>>>>>> with the rest of the deets:
>>>>>>>>>>>> tables, and materials, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Ryan!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 5:41 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure! I'll be in sudo by 2
>>>>>>>>>>>> tomorrow, and while I'm meeting
>>>>>>>>>>>> someone there to show her how to
>>>>>>>>>>>> use the laser cutter, I'm sure
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll have
>>>>>>>>>>>> time to help on this as
>>>>>>>>>>>> well!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 5:25 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>> danarauz at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> <danarauz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Accessibility. Good point
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like to work with me and
>>>>>>>>>>>> see if we can set up accessible
>>>>>>>>>>>> computers at the first floor?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, and let me know,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 4:42 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Would be really cool if we
>>>>>>>>>>>> could get some accessible stations
>>>>>>>>>>>> for the public, rather than
>>>>>>>>>>>> continuing to put them upstairs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 7:15 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>> danarauz at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> <danarauz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hellos,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Good News!
>>>>>>>>>>>> We now have a total of 10 new data
>>>>>>>>>>>> drops at the second floor where
>>>>>>>>>>>> the computers for the public are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Four computers are already setup
>>>>>>>>>>>> and ready to use. The other six
>>>>>>>>>>>> are already active, so it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> matter of bringing more
>>>>>>>>>>>> computers to the table and set
>>>>>>>>>>>> them up.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The second one from the left was
>>>>>>>>>>>> not booting up, and since I had a
>>>>>>>>>>>> bootable USB with Debian 8 with
>>>>>>>>>>>> me; well.. I installed
>>>>>>>>>>>> Debian on it. User name: user
>>>>>>>>>>>> Password: user Root's password:
>>>>>>>>>>>> user -Feel free to modify that if
>>>>>>>>>>>> one wish or if it
>>>>>>>>>>>> required. I just wanted to have it
>>>>>>>>>>>> running at least.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I removed all the extra
>>>>>>>>>>>> unnecessary and/or unsafe
>>>>>>>>>>>> equipment that was there on that
>>>>>>>>>>>> table.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Excuse me that it was brought down
>>>>>>>>>>>> to one of the tables at Sudo, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was too exhausted that I just
>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to go home.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ALERTS:
>>>>>>>>>>>> DNS: At the time that I left the
>>>>>>>>>>>> building, 5pm, there were some DNS
>>>>>>>>>>>> issues. DNS was not resolving.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pinging Google's DNS IP 8.8.8.8
>>>>>>>>>>>> worked, but not when trying the
>>>>>>>>>>>> domain name. The issue seemed
>>>>>>>>>>>> intermittent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> BANDWIDTH: Also, I ran a few speed
>>>>>>>>>>>> tests and they area about 20Mbps /
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.5Mbps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Hassan, Sierk, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Francisco for your help during
>>>>>>>>>>>> these three days of work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel
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