[sudo-discuss] [Mesh] Computers for the Public Setup+ ALERTS (DNS + Speed)
Ryan
yandoryn at gmail.com
Fri Jul 24 19:04:50 PDT 2015
I've brought it up in person three times to multiple members who each said
they'd take it to a meeting and never did. This was back when it was
difficult to find a general la commune email address and I didn't find it
comfy to email one person as if they were la commune, even if that's
basically what I was doing in person.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 6:34 PM, niki <niki.shelley at gmail.com> wrote:
> > In the past, I've had trouble getting La Commune to get back at all
> about public terminals, which is why I'm frustrated > and done trying to
> deal with them.
>
> Ryan, I couldn't find any emails to LC from you re: public terminals in
> the space. I'm very sorry if I missed something or perhaps there were
> non-digital communications that did not bear fruit.
>
> I'm not in a position to make any decisions with regards to this, just
> wanted to make it clear that I was not in any way intentionally ignoring
> any inquiries from you in the past!
>
> I hope everyone can come to an agreeable solution.
>
> <3
>
> N
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This was well before they were taking a hiatus, unfortunately. But if
>> they're not going to be open for a significant amount of time, I think it's
>> reasonable to just find a space and if they decide it's not functional when
>> they open, we can reevaluate from there.
>>
>> I'm also concerned about folks using the computer if it's available,
>> rather than going upstairs, but I'm just really concerned about walking
>> folks who can't go upstairs.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 5:58 PM, max b <maxb.personal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We don't have a ton of laptops. We have a ton of netbooks. While that
>>>> wouldn't be a problem in most cases for something like this, the smaller
>>>> keyboard would be problematic for some users with mobility or coordination
>>>> issues.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok gotcha. We do have a handful of usb keyboards that we could set up to
>>> stay connected to one of the netbooks. Or we could use the laptop that
>>> Uprising has mentioned they're going to bring over.
>>>
>>> I think that Lubuntu probably has the same accesibility features, but
>>> I'll double check.
>>>
>>> In the past, I've had trouble getting La Commune to get back at all
>>>> about public terminals, which is why I'm frustrated and done trying to deal
>>>> with them.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah and it does seem like they're taking a "hiatus". Perhaps we could
>>> just move forward with what we see as a decent plan and assume that we'll
>>> all be ok with eachother moving forwards in good faith.
>>>
>>> The average desk/table is about the right height for a wheelchair user,
>>>> so I'm confused as to why we'd need to have it brought down or use a
>>>> standing desk.
>>>
>>>
>>> The only reason that Daniel and I were considering a folding down option
>>> was to discourage folks from using it as a default instead of walking
>>> upstairs to the terminals. It seems that people are sometimes drawn to the
>>> closest monitor, and so they might be just immediately drawn to a computer
>>> setup in La Commune. But just a thought.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We don't have a ton of laptops. We have a ton of netbooks. While that
>>>> wouldn't be a problem in most cases for something like this, the smaller
>>>> keyboard would be problematic for some users with mobility or coordination
>>>> issues.
>>>>
>>>> In the past, I've had trouble getting La Commune to get back at all
>>>> about public terminals, which is why I'm frustrated and done trying to deal
>>>> with them.
>>>>
>>>> I know stock Ubuntu has most necessary accessibility software. I don't
>>>> know if lubuntu would. I assume so. I might want to look into it more
>>>> deeply.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 4:03 PM, max b <maxb.personal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Daniel and I were talking about maybe some sort of appropriate height
>>>>> desk which would be able to fold down and then up and that would have a
>>>>> laptop just permanently mounted to it. The somewhat obscurity of it paired
>>>>> with some signage mentioning that there are plenty of terminals upstairs
>>>>> and to please reserve this for folks who wouldn't otherwise be able to
>>>>> access the other terminals.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have a ton of laptops btw - they're in storage under the stairs in
>>>>> omni. Most of them need keyboard replacements (like $15 I think), but some
>>>>> of them I believe are good to go. Just need someone to set up a mini
>>>>> station. I would imagine it should be cleared with the La Commune folks,
>>>>> although I have a feeling they'd be on board.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have a ton of cycles to build anything like that, but I'm
>>>>> wondering if there's a stopgap solution that we could use - maybe just hide
>>>>> one of the laptops somewhere around the La Commune Desk with a notice on
>>>>> it? Would one of the netbooks with stock lubuntu installed on it be ok?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ryan, do you have any particular preferences for next steps?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also - I'm not super familiar with any other accessibility software,
>>>>> but if someone pointed me in the right direction, I think it's probably a
>>>>> good idea for all of our terminals to have a base set installed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Max
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That would be so amazing. Thank you so much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you could put a note on it saying that it's for accessible public
>>>>>> use so it doesn't immediately disappear into a project, that would be rad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Uprising <hassanfathi at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>> I will dropping a laptop today around 6:PM it can be used the way
>>>>>>> you guys feel like it.
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2015, at 11:29 PM, Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I haven't. :/ Maybe it would be better if it were a laptop that's
>>>>>>> somehow secured somewhere but can be put away, so it doesn't take up space
>>>>>>> when not being used by someone who needs it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:08 PM, danarauz at gmail.com <
>>>>>>> danarauz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Makes sense, Ryan.
>>>>>>>> So, have you found a place where we should work on?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or/and, would you like me to see if I can set the computer you were
>>>>>>>> using (or another) below the desk as I mentioned it to you, so that the
>>>>>>>> display its a better eye level?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 3:28 AM, Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't think they should be near the entrance. If they are, they
>>>>>>>>> will get used instead of the ones upstairs... meaning folks who need an
>>>>>>>>> accessible computer won't be able to use it. Even if we put that they're
>>>>>>>>> reserved for people with disabilities, they'll get used first. I guarantee
>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 9:31 PM, danarauz at gmail.com <
>>>>>>>>> danarauz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Jenny, but the credit goes to everyone who organically
>>>>>>>>>> participated; from building the tables and onto the final result.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ryan, I think the ideal would be to have one or two workstations
>>>>>>>>>> near the entrance; but if not possible, then Jenny's idea sounds the best,
>>>>>>>>>> imho.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Good to know!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Every time I've come by, it just seems like more and more have
>>>>>>>>>>> accumulated over time. This just felt like critical mass, I guess. Maybe my
>>>>>>>>>>> timing has just been weird.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> that's an unusual situation, brought on by some hacker not
>>>>>>>>>>>> putting away whatever they were playing with. usually it's just the imac
>>>>>>>>>>>> and a big monitor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -jake
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2015, Ryan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, no, there were 6 monitors over on these tables, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the macs!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Made the space really unusable for hacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Kelly Peng <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ziqikelly at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Jake that those desk/monitor in sudo room
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for hacking, instead of for facebook/email. Ryan, the 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one external monitor are mine, and I can remove two of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tomorrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>> night:-)[t?sender=aemlxaWtlbGx5QGdtYWlsLmNvbQ%3D%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=3cfa33
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1d-a593-40bf-95eb-e880a6dd4008] ᐧ
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [kywVk6n.gif]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If they are for hacking, I would suggest they not be used
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for monitor storage. I'd move them myself, if I could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 2015 1:35 PM, "Jake" <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> those desks in sudoroom are for hacking, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for public facebook and email checking -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's why we put the public terminals outside
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudoroom.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> i agree that there should be ground-floor
>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible public terminals, but not in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudoroom (any more than there already are)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -jake
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2015, Ryan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sitting where the Mac is in sudo,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm thinking these tables might be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> awesome for more "public use" and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> less "using the computers tied to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other devices." I'd leave a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit of space, to make sure people
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have room for crafty-type stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but there's tons of monitors
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting here anyway... I'll bring
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it up on Wednesday.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 7:11 AM,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> danarauz at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <danarauz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That sounds to me;
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks! And, when you get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something ready, I would try to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave early from work and meet you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 9:01 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I can try and do that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Monday!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Weekends can be tough for me right
>>>>>>>>>>>>> now because I'm only supposed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave the house 2-3 days a week a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> la my physical therapist. But I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>> get in touch
>>>>>>>>>>>>> after Monday and see what I can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> find.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 6:30 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> danarauz at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <danarauz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Weekends are much easier for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> me to meet you; but if needed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> weekdays evening is the other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> option.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyhow, would you want to go ahead
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and take care of finding the area
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and of getting the okay from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> corresponding collective? Then we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can deal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the rest of the deets:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tables, and materials, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Ryan!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 5:41 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure! I'll be in sudo by 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tomorrow, and while I'm meeting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone there to show her how to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use the laser cutter, I'm sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time to help on this as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> well!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 5:25 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> danarauz at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <danarauz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Accessibility. Good point
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like to work with me and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> see if we can set up accessible
>>>>>>>>>>>>> computers at the first floor?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, and let me know,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 4:42 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would be really cool if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could get some accessible stations
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the public, rather than
>>>>>>>>>>>>> continuing to put them upstairs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 7:15 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> danarauz at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <danarauz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hellos,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good News!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We now have a total of 10 new data
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drops at the second floor where
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the computers for the public are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Four computers are already setup
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and ready to use. The other six
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are already active, so it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter of bringing more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> computers to the table and set
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The second one from the left was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not booting up, and since I had a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bootable USB with Debian 8 with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> me; well.. I installed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Debian on it. User name: user
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Password: user Root's password:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> user -Feel free to modify that if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one wish or if it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> required. I just wanted to have it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> running at least.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I removed all the extra
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unnecessary and/or unsafe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> equipment that was there on that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> table.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excuse me that it was brought down
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to one of the tables at Sudo, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was too exhausted that I just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to go home.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALERTS:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> DNS: At the time that I left the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> building, 5pm, there were some DNS
>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues. DNS was not resolving.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pinging Google's DNS IP 8.8.8.8
>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked, but not when trying the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> domain name. The issue seemed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> intermittent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BANDWIDTH: Also, I ran a few speed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tests and they area about 20Mbps /
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.5Mbps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Hassan, Sierk, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Francisco for your help during
>>>>>>>>>>>>> these three days of work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel
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