[sudo-discuss] Omni Commons Delegates for the Sudo Room

[Rachel Wolfsohn]

blocking can work. but then someone could block forever something that's
reasonable to the majority. there's always a limit, not always gonna make
everyone happy. limitations on blocking could prevent this, yes.

bc ppl don't always agree, the higher a percentage is for the required the
majority, the closer it is to consensus, the system is leaving behind the
few rather than the silent, if voting is required. when consensus rules,
the loud and confident can get away with murder, esp if those in disaccord
happen to be busy at the vet or something...

just my belief. consensus won't actually work for the real world- only for
a small place of play/leisure, really. where a small group already
generally agrees with each other or shares personal interests.

yeah, showing up to meetings is an answer. when you can.

 as people who know Power know well, once something is in effect, it takes
a lot more to get people to change it,

... bc there's a perception of there having been agreement by so many in
the first place, rather than a small group.
Example:
 the U.S. gov't's structure. It was created by merely dozens of people, for
millions, one day hundreds of millions, of people

and honestly, it takes faith in a system to participate in it. faith i
don't have in any system but that of family, true loyal unstructured
unsolicited solidarity, and a universal spirit, at the moment.



P.S i've heard talk from sudo's founders about lessening quorum to seven.
because attendance is so low. running sudo is already left in the hands of
it's founders. perhaps more than you all realize, people don't want to step
on your toes...

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Also, there's a really obvious answer to this fear of cliques.
>
> Show up to meetings.
>
> All members have blocking power. Yay consensus.
>
> If you're unhappy with a proposal that was passed, make a
> counter-proposal. Nothing is set in stone. sudo's policies can change very
> quickly. We're not waterfall; we're agile. It's better to deploy our
> changes regularly, knowing we can further build on these features than make
> sure they're perfect when the race starts.
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Quorum takes 10 people. I really don't consider that a small group.
>>
>> I personally think that voting creates a tyranny of the majority which
>> inherently oppresses minority groups. In a democracy, minorities have to
>> hope for the benevolence of the majority to deign to stoop down low enough
>> to recognize them as people.
>>
>> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Rachel Wolfsohn <rawjnana at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would be wary, sudo, of how few people it already takes to have
>>> quorum, and if that changes...
>>> A small clique of friends can be at a meeting, and make decisions for
>>> all of sudo.
>>> It's a broken system.
>>>
>>> Our leaders can either say
>>> "there's the power, don't give it to anyone, let's split it consciously"
>>>  or
>>>  "where's the power? i don't see it"
>>> the latter is falsity in my opinion, it deters you from taking any
>>> the former is truth.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think 1-vote-per-member; remotely solicited when live-vote isn't
>>> possible, is a much sounder way of representing the opinions and needs of
>>> many people.
>>>
>>> to my eyes, consensus seems to be closer to high school social dynamics
>>> than a step in political evolution. i'm definitely disillusioned about
>>> consensus after seeing this project.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:30 PM, danarauz at gmail.com <danarauz at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Marc Juul <juul at labitat.dk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Rachel Wolfsohn <rawjnana at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My question is whose idea was this in the first place?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It was this guy:
>>>>>
>>>>>   http://i.imgur.com/qmPKJHh.gif
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> marc/juul
>>>>>
>>>>>
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