[sudo-discuss] [omni-building] Proposal: Co-Invest in 15' Step Ladder

Sat Jan 27 11:32:32 PST 2018

Elvis...er..ummm.. The Ladder has not left the building. It was found
crouching behind a dishwasher, copying machine, and other items.

On Jan 27, 2018 9:51 AM, "Brendan Kierans" <bpkierans at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for looking into the fine print of the specs. Glad you caught that.
>
> Yeah, any ladder being sold will comply with an OSHA standard but
> specifically for electrical they ask for non conductive - I don't have time
> today to dive into that text today - material for the ladder so, wood or
> fiberglass. I honestly think you guys would be just fine with aluminium, I
> just want to make sure everyone is aware of what they are buying. It's not
> very often that I imagine Omni directly highering someone on a W2.
>
> On Jan 26, 2018 11:13 PM, "Ken Litchfield" <litchfield.ken at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Heyall,
>>
>> Once it all gets settled on the model, price, and parameters add some
>> accessory costs for some bike locks or cable locks to make it easy to lock
>> it close to whatever project it is needed for at the time andor its
>> permanent storage spot. Copies of the keys could be left with Jenny, Robb,
>> and a couple others so someone responsible could always get a key from some
>> stash spot or person.
>>
>> Thanks Ken
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:18 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, I didn't see that it slides down to half it's length - that is
>>> definitely useful. The old 13ft ladder was a handful to navigate through
>>> the hallway, and a 15' or 16' one might not even fit unless it can be
>>> collapsed down a bit.
>>>
>>> I do think it would make more sense for the ladder to be paid out of
>>> Omni funds, but the cost share is small enough that I'm not going to
>>> nitpick that.
>>>
>>> I would suggest we approve this purchase. And while we wait for
>>> everybody to get on board,  maybe we can look around a bit more for a
>>> better deal...
>>>
>>> Patrik
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 26, 2018 6:45 PM, "Jenny Ryan" <tunabananas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> To Brendan's points:
>>> * The ladder you posted lists in specs: Step Ladder Maximum Height -
>>> Closed (ft.) - 8.58
>>> The ladder needs to be A-Frame height tall enough to reach the ballroom
>>> ceiling (21' - 7' estimate human height reaching = 13' minimum standing
>>> from the top step, so 15' safely)
>>> * Re: OSHA, the listing I posted states "The Skyscraper M15 exceeds all
>>> OSHA and ANSI standards and is rated to hold up to 300 lbs. " The postings
>>> Patrik listed all claim to be OSHA-Compliant, as well - can you post a link
>>> or quote the code re: aluminum ladders?
>>>
>>> To Patrik's -
>>> Most of the ladders on the Home Depot site all have estimated delivery
>>> times of March 1-6, are not adjustable, and store at full height (14'-16'),
>>> whereas the one I posted will arrive between Feb 6-9, is fully adjustable,
>>> and stores at 8' (meaning it can be transported on a car's roof rack,
>>> otherwise this cost would not be split with mesh). Also, the only ones
>>> sufficiently tall enough (16') are in the $600 range, except for the last
>>> one you listed:
>>>
>>> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Louisville-Ladder-16-ft-Aluminum
>>> -Step-Ladder-with-300-lbs-Load-Capacity-Type-IA-Duty-Rating-
>>> AS1016/300388424
>>> That one's $433 and expected delivery between Feb 2-8
>>>
>>> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Werner-14-ft-Fiberglass-Twin-Ste
>>> p-Ladder-with-300-lb-Load-Capacity-Type-IA-T7414/203134372?M
>>> ERCH=REC-_-rv_gm_pip_rr-_-300388424-_-203134372-_-N
>>> This one *may* suffice (ceiling reachable from the top step), and is
>>> fiberglass and $495. The 16' version is $597. Neither would arrive until
>>> March, tho.
>>>
>>> If we go for the $433 ladder, we'd need to be able to store it at 16'
>>> and mesh wouldn't participate in the cost-share. Split equitably that'd be
>>> $150 each from Omni, Sudo & CCL, or weighted, $250 from Omni and $100 each
>>> from sudo & CCL.
>>>
>>> Jenny
>>>
>>> Help open a professional kitchen at the Omni Commons in Oakland!
>>> https://omnicommons.org/kitchen
>>>
>>> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>> "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
>>> -Laurie Anderson
>>>
>>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
>>> it."
>>>  -Hannah Arendt
>>>
>>> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
>>> -Stéphane Mallarmé
>>>
>>> "Anything done for the first time unleashes a demon."
>>> --Dave Sim, "Cerebus the Aardvark"
>>> ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 5:51 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is it just me, or does $675 seem awfully expensive for a 300lb, 15'
>>>> ladder?
>>>>
>>>> Here's a few 14' and 16' ladders at Home Despot that are closer to the
>>>> $400 range:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Werner-14-ft-Aluminum-Step-Ladde
>>>> r-with-300-lb-Load-Capacity-Type-IA-414/203134172
>>>> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Louisville-Ladder-14-ft-Aluminum
>>>> -Step-Ladder-with-300-lbs-Load-Capacity-Type-IA-Duty-Rating-
>>>> AS1014/300388422
>>>> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Werner-14-ft-Fiberglass-Twin-Ste
>>>> p-Ladder-with-300-lb-Load-Capacity-Type-IA-T7414/203134372
>>>> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Louisville-Ladder-16-ft-Aluminum
>>>> -Step-Ladder-with-300-lbs-Load-Capacity-Type-IA-Duty-Rating-
>>>> AS1016/300388424
>>>>
>>>> Patrik
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 4:08 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Greetings Omninoms/sudoers/CCL'ers/meshers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Last week, Omni's tall A-frame ladder disappeared from the entrance
>>>>> hall (if anyone noticed someone exiting the building with a ~13' wooden
>>>>> ladder, lmk).
>>>>>
>>>>> Robb and I did a bit of research, and ladders that tall are hard to
>>>>> come by and fairly expensive. This 15' A-frame Little Giant seems to be the
>>>>> best bet:
>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00064C4SQ/
>>>>>
>>>>> Our scaffolding is bulky, takes time to set up, and doesn't reach the
>>>>> ceilings in the ballroom, entrance hall nor sudo/ccl. A bucket lift is ~10x
>>>>> more expensive, and wouldn't be able to access some parts of the building
>>>>> we'd use it in. With a ladder this size, we could use it for working on the
>>>>> ceilings everywhere - and mesh could use it for our Sunday node mounts.
>>>>>
>>>>> The cost is $674.80, so I'm proposing the following financial split:
>>>>> * Omni - $330
>>>>> * Sudo - $115
>>>>> * CCL - $115
>>>>> * Sudo Mesh - $115
>>>>>
>>>>> Ideas on how best to securely store it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Please let me know asap if there are any blocking concerns or better
>>>>> ideas. I'll bring it up at the next sudoroom and mesh meetings and
>>>>> hopefully someone can bring it up at CCL's.
>>>>>
>>>>> <3
>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>
>>>>> Help open a professional kitchen at the Omni Commons in Oakland!
>>>>> https://omnicommons.org/kitchen
>>>>>
>>>>> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>>>> "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
>>>>> -Laurie Anderson
>>>>>
>>>>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
>>>>> it."
>>>>>  -Hannah Arendt
>>>>>
>>>>> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
>>>>> -Stéphane Mallarmé
>>>>>
>>>>> "Anything done for the first time unleashes a demon."
>>>>> --Dave Sim, "Cerebus the Aardvark"
>>>>> ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>>>>
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