[sudo-discuss] new proposal - need input

[robb]

i can not reconcile the fact that GCEA members are without a doubt the best
dressed & nicest car driving group who uses this building & the fact that
they want free rent.

aside from the innumerable personal dramas i've witnessed Almaz initiate,
she appears to regularly throw wedding/baby shower type parties while
calling them some non-profitty event name & recently & autonomously took
over a $1000+ event that Joe had completed the contract on & edited it to
give GCEA the money (i call that embezzlement) - an event of which was so
loud & late we got another complaint from our neighbor.

we have no way of tracking their donations since they are a fiscally
sponsored project of another organization & they refused omni's fiscal
sponsorship offer.

On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 6:47 PM Marc Juul <marc at juul.io> wrote:

> GCEA and Almaz are not entirely separate entities. Almaz is the
> primary organizer and delegate for GCEA. Any Omni-related problems
> with her are to a large extent problems with GCEA. We're talking about
> permanently granting a portion of Omni's space with no required rent
> to a collective whose primary organizer has been highly problematic.
> In short I don't trust them (specifically Almaz) to stick to the
> agreement and only expect this new agreement to generate more conflict
> over the work they're supposed to do.
>
> I'd probably be ok with this If the proposal included Almaz stepping
> down and the proposal specified a set period where-after this
> agreement expires and requires a new consensus to extend or make
> permanent.
>
> Also, Omni definitely needs more money. We're not saving nearly enough
> for building upkeep. The roof is in terrible condition and the water
> leakage is only going to make the eventual renovation more costly.
> We're also relying on a lot of volunteer labor from a small group of
> people to keep the currently level of income flowing and ideally we'd
> be able to pay at least something for these efforts.
>
> On 1/20/19, Yardena Cohen <yardenack at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I get it. You don't like her, you don't trust her. But what does that
> have
> > to do with THIS proposal? What specific harm is avoided by holding them
> to
> > a pointless debt of money we don't need, which they can't pay? How is
> your
> > problem with Almaz solved by keeping a door unlocked when its primary
> > stewards want to lock it?
> >
> > Again, if you want GCEA to have a different delegate, why not make a
> > separate proposal rather than block this one?
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 20, 2019, 3:59 AM Marc Juul <marc at juul.io wrote:
> >
> >> Agreed. The problem is that Almaz has not acted in good faith on
> >> multiple occasions. If Almaz was to step down as GCEA organizer and
> >> delegate and someone else from GCEA was to take over then it would
> >> probably be possible to get consensus on this.
> >>
> >> On 1/19/19, hol at gaskill.com <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
> >> > Asking for near-free rent after violating terms of space use does not
> >> > seem to square with the way Almaz consistently condescends to the omni
> >> > community; there seems to be a pattern of trying to bend the rules and
> >> > obfuscate when she gets called out.  I don't attend the Omni meetings
> >> > so
> >> > maybe it's different live but my $.02 would be for sudo room to block
> >> > this proposal and maintain focus on the fact that this collective has
> >> > not held up its side of the financial or mutual respect dimensions
> >> > agreed to as condition of membership iirc, and propose a change in
> >> > membership status for GCEA if needed.
> >> >
> >> > On 2019-01-18 1:25 pm, Yardena Cohen wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 12:36 PM Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>> This is an extremely problematic issue on multiple fronts which I
> >> >>> would like to discuss with Sudoers next Wednesday. Attached is sheer
> >> >>> documentation, for y'allz edification.
> >> >>
> >> >> This doesn't add any new information IMO. They've acknowledged their
> >> >> outstanding debt and they're asking for forgiveness and a change in
> >> >> terms. Personally, I think it's a reasonable ask. I'm sick of this
> >> >> conflict dragging on and I think we can just let them have their room
> >> >> so we can stop wasting time arguing about it.
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