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10/04/2023 | meeting was actually on wednesday 10/04/2023, not the 5th. | ||
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== show and tell === | == show and tell === | ||
jems shows off visual synth and its super rad | * jems shows off visual synth and its super rad | ||
ELT shows raspberry pi running joust. playing music. joust uses these old playstation motion controllers, and the goal is to knock someone's icecream off their cone. and we can have ice cream fights in the ballroom | * ELT shows raspberry pi running joust. playing music. joust uses these old playstation motion controllers, and the goal is to knock someone's icecream off their cone. and we can have ice cream fights in the ballroom. couldnt have pulled it off without jake, appreciate the help | ||
couldnt have pulled it off without jake, appreciate the help | * and ELT made a fire truck | ||
= discussion about moving sudo mesh = | |||
* ELT has idea and has discussed with sudo mesh to move servers and storage into space under the stairway | |||
* jake - what would we put up there? Im thinking of a carpetted cat tree | |||
* ELT - would be nice to have more of a social space. secretly envious that noisebridge has had that | |||
* jake - lets do it, please contact if you want to help doing the dirty work of cleaning and ratproofing. | |||
ELT and Paige down to join help | |||
= discussion about delegates meetings/omni = | |||
* paige - asking questions about things that will come up in next delegates meeting. ANV use of the building? VOL rent forgiveness? What does sudo room think about paying people for cleaning and events? | |||
property tax issue. city has been responding slowly. sarah lockhart absolutely indispensible. in terms of events, we have only recently start paying Billy. Billy left events group immediately after CLP removed. but ultimately, everyone Billy was booking removed their bookings. now we are going forward, discussion about who we pay going forward | * jake - property tax issue. city has been responding slowly. sarah lockhart absolutely indispensible. in terms of events, we have only recently start paying Billy. Billy left events group immediately after CLP removed. but ultimately, everyone Billy was booking removed their bookings. now we are going forward, discussion about who we pay going forward | ||
carl - has omni paid for cleaning services in the past | * carl - has omni paid for cleaning services in the past? | ||
jake - not to my knowledge | * jake - not to my knowledge | ||
carl - lot of square footage | * carl - lot of square footage, would be expensive | ||
jake - what we need is more volunteers. i recommend everyone join the omni consensus email lists. | * jake - what we need is more volunteers. but if we don't have that we need to pay people. i recommend everyone join the omni consensus email lists. this is the archive for the consensus list. (dont have to join list, can just read) https://omnicommons.org/pipermail/consensus/ but if you want to join it, click link at the top. | ||
* jake - fyi in the past weve had trolls come onto the pad. was a long time ago. hard to tell who put stuff at the top of this pad. can be crude and gross. just good to be aware of. | |||
this is the archive for the consensus | * paige - i agreed to be delegate because we needed de-escalation. people have been hurt by you. it was conflated with some false accusations from CLP. was hoping we could get past that. what do we need to do moving forward because there is still distrust of you in the delegates meeting and people are hurt on both sides. jackie and yar were calling for.. | ||
but if you want to join it, click link at the top. | * jake - yar is not a delegate, she's someone who i've had a conflict with for years. | ||
jake - in the past weve had trolls come onto the pad. was a long time ago. hard to tell who put stuff at the top of this pad. can be crude and gross. just good to be aware of. | * paige - danielle | ||
* jake - danielle is from clp and boggs | |||
paige - i agreed to be delegate because we needed de-escalation. people have been hurt by you. it was conflated with | * paige - danielle will be at next meeting | ||
jake - yar is not a delegate, she's someone who i've had a conflict with for years. | * paige - i think yhe wsy forward ux.. | ||
paige - | * jake - i want to address danielle is a clp member and sent an email written by rafiq. doesn't make sense | ||
jake - | * paige - other ppl saw u hurt danielle in the meeting | ||
paige - | * jake - what happened was i asked danielle if she was clp, then rafiq said jake has no respect for black women. it was clp not boggs. interrupting happens in meeting for point of order. asking someone if member of different group | ||
paige - i think yhe wsy forward ux.. | * paige - given recent climate + as an interruption, it came off as threatening. as an interruption, it had the feeling "if you are clp i will smear you". people have been critiquing how you speak, and | ||
jake - i want to address | * jake - im not suggesting i wanna be delegate. outrage was manufactured by rafiq and yar | ||
paige - other ppl saw u hurt | * paige - i dont trust clp but i have no reason not to trust yar. multiple ppl claiming you hurt them and you are not taking accountAbility. this needs to be discussed. a new boggs. the last meeting people were less charged, they voiced opinions about how you talk to people. it went somewhere so i think we should continue going somewhere with it. | ||
jake - what happened was i asked | * jake - im choosing not to pursue this stuff as much as i woould like to. i feel strongly that yar... she sent an email saying she wants me banned from delegate meeting because clp attacked her. she was talking with rafiq about me before realizing clp is bad. 8 days ago today. (reads email) | ||
paige - | * carl - i don't understand how yar can ever side w them again. thus was a toxic group. you should discount everything they say if they are untrustworthy. | ||
jake - im not suggesting i wanna be delegate. | * jake - i've been going through this with yar for years. she's extremely distrusting of me. lived in my house 2013-2015. even though we went through mediation. a year ago, i sent yar stuff. yar said fuck you i'm not listening to you about identity politics. yar told rafiq i was the person who advocated criticism on clp. now today yar says i am the reason clp is attacking her. frustrating because people think yarnis hreat but my experience is stuff like this (shares screen) i said yar you are falling asleep and runnjng yourself into a ditch and she said no. | ||
paige - i dont trust clp but i have | * paige - i asdume tgat's because she didn't want to work with you | ||
jake - im | * jake - we work together and i forget she did something wrong, then she goes and sends an email | ||
she sent an email saying she wants me | |||
carl - i don't understand how yar can ever side w them again. thus was a toxic group. you should discount everything they say if they are untrustworthy. | |||
jake - i've been going through this with yar for years. she's extremely distrusting of me. lived in my house 2013-2015. even though we went through mediation. a year ago, i sent yar stuff. yar said fuck you i'm not listening to you about identity politics. yar told rafiq i was the person who | |||
paige - i asdume tgat's because she didn't want to work with you | |||
jake - we work together and i forget she did something wrong, then she goes and sends an email | |||
(reads email about racist anti-blacn begavior) this is serious accusation. dmed her can u cite specifjc examples. she said the church in 2015. pastor cheryl ward wanted a church at omni. i said no, it had nothing to do with race. any other examples and she had nothing.someone talking about me without any examples is fucked up and its frustrating | (reads email about racist anti-blacn begavior) this is serious accusation. dmed her can u cite specifjc examples. she said the church in 2015. pastor cheryl ward wanted a church at omni. i said no, it had nothing to do with race. any other examples and she had nothing.someone talking about me without any examples is fucked up and its frustrating | ||
paige - yar said (reads) im talking about jake's tendency to | * paige - yar said (reads) im talking about jake's tendency to prioritize himself over others who have been harmed. | ||
carl - word racism has bern thrown around. never understood justification for it. | * carl - word racism has bern thrown around. never understood justification for it. | ||
paige - murien was talking about obligation we have | * paige - murien was talking about obligation we have to invite and make space for poc. Given we are displacing people. anti-racism means we need to reach out. chromebook and laptop project. partner with gloria and local schools. insular group here, people don't think they can take active leadership. don't agree with board but excited about having that conversation. friends of friends means its a somewhat insular community. meeting on topic of racism. islamophobic to call leader of clp had nk merrit. you took accountability sayjngbj reslinze my emotion about these issues is more than people want to experience. if you didn't mean to hurt danielle it's a gut feeling that makes the space safe. | ||
jake - dsnielle was puf jn z terrible podiyikn, and j thjnk it was done by clp. they took advantage of her at her expense. sentvemail she didn't write. j recognize harm was done to daniel but j don't thjnk it's fait to blame me for that. | * jake - dsnielle was puf jn z terrible podiyikn, and j thjnk it was done by clp. they took advantage of her at her expense. sentvemail she didn't write. j recognize harm was done to daniel but j don't thjnk it's fait to blame me for that. | ||
paige - your frustration is you are recieving all the blame. their frystratiknn is they dkn't see you taking accountability. you were baited. | * paige - your frustration is you are recieving all the blame. their frystratiknn is they dkn't see you taking accountability. you were baited. | ||
jake - i was skeptical of clp before they joined and yar pushed them in. if not for yar acting as a delegate we wouldn't have let thfm kn | * jake - i was skeptical of clp before they joined and yar pushed them in. if not for yar acting as a delegate we wouldn't have let thfm kn | ||
jake - is clp peoplebof color? idk their numbers | * jake - is clp peoplebof color? idk their numbers | ||
paige - yar didnt trust when yju voiced ur ckncrrns and thsf has tk do partially with how you talk about people. jabs. u need a sense of urgency, but .. yar was able to put out the fire. not by thtowinv yoj under the bus, but talking to iranian people | * paige - yar didnt trust when yju voiced ur ckncrrns and thsf has tk do partially with how you talk about people. jabs. u need a sense of urgency, but .. yar was able to put out the fire. not by thtowinv yoj under the bus, but talking to iranian people | ||
jake - that was dntirely becausebof my wotk | * jake - that was dntirely becausebof my wotk | ||
paige - i hope we can get you two to trust eachother again | * paige - i hope we can get you two to trust eachother again | ||
jake - i trusted yar many times and she repeatedly made me regret it. mark yule. singlehandddly bullied jenny. it was super fucked up. it's not clear what she did. said jenny can't hold positions of power anymore. not a delegate. yar had an ally, aj frkm phi collective, living at omni, upset rob couldnt live there. jenny not allowed because yar said so. didn't make any sense but it happened. it was absolutely bullying, i can't think of any other way to describe it. forgotten when yar did somethjng gucked up, trusted her,... my email had bad tone, but j was the only one doing it. yar forwarded it to rafiq. jake banned from delegate meeting. really frustrating. | * jake - i trusted yar many times and she repeatedly made me regret it. mark yule. singlehandddly bullied jenny. it was super fucked up. it's not clear what she did. said jenny can't hold positions of power anymore. not a delegate. yar had an ally, aj frkm phi collective, living at omni, upset rob couldnt live there. jenny not allowed because yar said so. didn't make any sense but it happened. it was absolutely bullying, i can't think of any other way to describe it. forgotten when yar did somethjng gucked up, trusted her,... my email had bad tone, but j was the only one doing it. yar forwarded it to rafiq. jake banned from delegate meeting. really frustrating. | ||
paige - the rest of the delegates csn vote on thst. discussion might be jf yoh and yar are banned from somethjng. | * paige - the rest of the delegates csn vote on thst. discussion might be jf yoh and yar are banned from somethjng. | ||
jake - was going to write an email. i'm not gonna let her keep doing this to me. i have other stuff besides yar attàcking me after she brought this group. she put us in this situarik. snd now she's targeting me. | * jake - was going to write an email. i'm not gonna let her keep doing this to me. i have other stuff besides yar attàcking me after she brought this group. she put us in this situarik. snd now she's targeting me. | ||
paige - sounded like rafiq was getting harassed. april or may 2022. i see someone was engagkngbin a political debate and i don't know how they went about doing tgat. if someone makes a complaint on tgat level it has to be taken seriously | * paige - sounded like rafiq was getting harassed. april or may 2022. i see someone was engagkngbin a political debate and i don't know how they went about doing tgat. if someone makes a complaint on tgat level it has to be taken seriously | ||
jake - stalinist tankies. rafiq said i sent someone to harass him. rafiq opened the floodgates. i had to cower and beg forgiveness for suggesting that these people were stalinist tankies. one of the reasons i'm upset. | * jake - stalinist tankies. rafiq said i sent someone to harass him. rafiq opened the floodgates. i had to cower and beg forgiveness for suggesting that these people were stalinist tankies. one of the reasons i'm upset. | ||
paige - u might say tone policing but it is very important. how others percieve it. people from pym. it goes along way to be civil and thoughtful about accusation. when we're just... | * paige - u might say tone policing but it is very important. how others percieve it. people from pym. it goes along way to be civil and thoughtful about accusation. when we're just... | ||
j* ake - i agree with you. but i was stressed out of my mind about this situation. yar is ruthless, made me the villain. no allies. yea, i didn't hold it together. | |||
paige - if more people are involved it doesn't just have to be your word against yar's so i hope we are moving in that direction. | * paige - if more people are involved it doesn't just have to be your word against yar's so i hope we are moving in that direction. | ||
jake - ya | * jake - ya | ||
paige - think about what meetjng notes we want to knclude given the sensitive nature of talking about oyhrr people. | * paige - think about what meetjng notes we want to knclude given the sensitive nature of talking about oyhrr people. | ||
paige - open to mediation with yar? | * paige - open to mediation with yar? | ||
jake - did it before and it didn't work. ya i would like to do mediation, and i'd like to do it by email | * jake - did it before and it didn't work. ya i would like to do mediation, and i'd like to do it by email | ||
paige - i'll decide what notes to put up? | * paige - i'll decide what notes to put up? | ||
jake - yes ok | * jake - yes ok | ||
paige - new people involved | * paige - new people involved | ||
jake - when i see people unsubscribing from the discuss list it's discouraging. | * jake - when i see people unsubscribing from the discuss list it's discouraging. we need to keep bringing in new people. | ||
(will fix all typos on these meeting notes asap. need a break.) | (will fix all typos on these meeting notes asap. need a break.) | ||