Meeting Notes 2013-10-02

Emails between Eddan and Marc

I'm not sure where the meeting notes for this meeting went, but I originally submitted this as part of the meeting notes and so now I'm putting it here as the only remaining part of the meeting notes since it seems like no other meeting notes were logged to the wiki. (Juul (talk))

In the following the emails are annotated with headlines and my comments (not part of the original emails) are annotated in parentheses. (Juul (talk))

From me, on sudo room list

> I've given notice to George & Laurie that we are terminating > the current lease at the end of December. > George said he was interested in putting up the > Sudo Room section of the building for co-op sale.

Did sudo room agree to do this or did you just decide to go out and do this on your own?

(It seems that sudo room did not agree. This is a problem.)

From me, on Counter-culture labs list

> I think your concerns are valid, Matt. > But before we assuming that we're in a situation where > good money follows bad, we should prolly do some > due diligence and figure out what's really going on > with an in-person meeting with Eddan and Matt and > perhaps even (god forbid) a meeting with George > and Laurie as well as a follow on.

(So now CCL folks got very confused, because terminating the

lease goes against what we'd agreed to pursue with them
at the tri-group meeting.)

I want to chime in real quick with an important note: Please don't assume that Eddan is in any position of leadership or decision-making power in sudo room. He is not active in sudo room, nor has he been doing anything for or with sudo room for the past several months, except to show up for the past few meetings and make unrealistic suggestions about buying the whole building where sudo room is currently located.

(CCL folk were assuming that Eddan was a person to talk to

about what sudo room is and will be doing. 
This is a problem, since Eddan has just shown that he is
somewhat disconnected from the reality of the situation.)

(Now come the emails from Eddan.

I did not reply privately, and made only one reply on the list. 
which is included at the end.)

private email to me

Sorry if I misunderstood you, Marc. But you'll remember from the last several meetings that despite efforts to mitigate the issue with George, you said emphatically that there was no way you were OK with having to deal with George. I pressed you on it, several times, and you were clear about your dissent veto of any other effort.

Also, over the last 3 meetings, as noted in the minutes, it was decided to remove individuals (such as myself) from the lease. I am totally on favor of this, primarily because of the multiple times Jenny has attacked me about this aggressively.

Can't have it both ways, Marc.

sudo-discuss email

It was also based on your emphatic veto on any mitigating solution that involved any contact with our landlord in the last several meetings. As well as the decision, trailing back to three consecutive meetings, where it was decided to remove individual names for the lease.

My apologies if I misunderstood you, Marc. I assumed you were being sincere.

(I never vetoed anything)

private email to me

how dare you!?!

the only reason i have not been coming around lately is because you and Jenny have explicitly made me feel unwelcome and have threatened me over and over again. the last straw was when jenny made up some pathological scenario at a bar and told the bartender that i was harassing her after she started yelling at me. i am planning to bring this up at this week's meeting to ask that jenny be suspended from sudo room.

(I have never threatened Eddan. I do not think Jenny

has threatened Eddan. The only "threat" I can really
imagine Jenny making is for Eddan to stay away
from her. I was not at the bar, but
the accounts that I have been given are very 
different from his. I have been unwelcoming
only so far as I have still greeted and had
brief but neutral conversations with Eddan,
like asking how he's been.)

sudo-discuss email

how dare you!?! please stop the personal attacks. you make a big fuss about moving and you veto any solution where we have to deal with the landlord. and then when we follow your leadership, you double back. what's the deal, marc?

(I am sure that i made myself very clear at the past

meetings that i was not vetoing anything, and that
i would go with the group decision.
We did not make a group decision to terminate the lease.)

sudo-discuss email

maybe you should also share with the group our discussion about how if anything happened at sudo room, i would be the one that would have to worry about liability. that seemed fine with you. what kind of person are you, marc?

(I have never opposed taking Eddan off the lease

and I have supported suggestions to get liability insurance)

sudo-discuss email

i totally agree that we should keep cool. which is why i suggested, with enough lead time to make something real happen, that we re-visit the lease.

i was not concerned about liability until several specific comments made by Marc that made me worry about some plan he seemed to be hatching up.

(... i have no clue)

also, though i understand that it most likely comes from Marc's strange attachment to demonstrating he's in charge at Sudo Room, when it is supposed to be a collective cooperative, i do feel the need to explain myself given the gross mischaracterization Marc seems capable of. the reason i was not as present this past summer as i'd hoped to be was because i was taking the CA bar so we can actually deal with the pending legal issues Sudo Room.

(Eddan canceled sudo room's lease without waiting for

a group decision, yet I am the one with a strange
attachment to demonstrating that I am in charge.
I know that the CCL email was somewhat harsh,
but it was, in my opinion, the truth with the bullshit 
cut out. I want everyone to realize how serious this
really is: Eddan may have ruined our chances at having 
shared space with CCL. I do not feel inclined to make
allowances or excuses for his failings.)