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In the following the emails are annotated with headlines and my comments (not part of the original emails) are annotated in parentheses. ([[User:Juul|Juul]] ([[User talk:Juul|talk]])) | In the following the emails are annotated with headlines and my comments (not part of the original emails) are annotated in parentheses. ([[User:Juul|Juul]] ([[User talk:Juul|talk]])) | ||
= Eddan's PostScript Note on the Misleading Portrayal of this Incident = | |||
It is worth noting that the email Marc sent to the CCL list was intentionally talking behind another member's back since Eddan is not on the CCL list. The direct insults, purposeful exclusion, and total misunderstanding of what was actually going on - should also be considered. | |||
I had only seen this page a while after it was written up. | |||
Another example of misleading, one-sided presentation of issues. | |||
This is bad faith. | |||
- Eddan | |||
== Marc's Final Email Non-Apology == | |||
This was the last thing Marc said about this issue on the mailing list. Before you read any of the crap back and forth - one should understand that Marc was completely mistaken about what was said, how it was said, and what it meant. | |||
Ok. I understand if you want to be taken off the lease. I was trying to figure out if I had missed some collective decision-making around this issue, since I didn't realize if we'd directly made the decision to terminate the lease (did we? i'm still not clear on that?). | |||
I feel that maybe it would have been a good idea to send a quick note to the list like "hey i'm planning to terminate sudo room's lease for these reasons", but no harm done. We were going to renegotiate the lease anyway, and almost certainly before the date you gave the landlords for sudo-lease termination. | |||
-- | |||
Marc | |||
== For what was actually going on == | |||
this is from di Franco & Hol on the mailing list. | |||
To try to help answer the question of what exactly happened and what the implications are, let me quote from Eddan's email, emphasis mine (archived here): | |||
"Terminating the current lease means the latter, David. That is - at that point, a new/better lease can be negotiated. Or not, if so decided. While the details on what a co-op purchase would look like still have to be hammered out in detail, it was my understanding from George that he was interested in an arrangement that would include selling off equity in that portion. Different organizations would put up money in their collective shares and that wing would be organized as a co-op with the different organizational/individual owners taking part in the decision-making of managing the building." | |||
and from Hol's email, (archived here): | |||
"I think we've been fortunate to have people (Eddan, Matt, Zach) put their name down in the lease and assume a degree of liability for operations. I interpret the notice to George as a move that is not binding on sudo room in any way, but one that A) allows Eddan and presumably Matt to relinquish their "doing business as" status to a better defined group, B) informs George that his behavior toward tenants will not be met with guaranteed continued tenancy, and C) puts a fire under all of our asses to solve the space/access/community issues elegantly, either by finding a new space or by coming to an agreement and a way forward at 2141. These are just my thoughts, with a grain of salt on specifics as I haven't been going to general meetings recently but I guess it's time to start doing that again since this is a matter of great importance." | |||
== From me, on sudo room list == | == From me, on sudo room list == | ||
<pre> | |||
> I've given notice to George & Laurie that we are terminating | > I've given notice to George & Laurie that we are terminating | ||
> the current lease at the end of December. | > the current lease at the end of December. | ||
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(It seems that sudo room did not agree. This is a problem.) | (It seems that sudo room did not agree. This is a problem.) | ||
</pre> | |||
== From me, on Counter-culture labs list == | == From me, on Counter-culture labs list == | ||
<pre> | |||
> I think your concerns are valid, Matt. | > I think your concerns are valid, Matt. | ||
> But before we assuming that we're in a situation where | > But before we assuming that we're in a situation where | ||
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I did not reply privately, and made only one reply on the list. | I did not reply privately, and made only one reply on the list. | ||
which is included at the end.) | which is included at the end.) | ||
</pre> | |||
== private email to me from Eddan == | == private email to me from Eddan == | ||
<pre> | |||
Sorry if I misunderstood you, Marc. But you'll remember from | Sorry if I misunderstood you, Marc. But you'll remember from | ||
the last several meetings that despite efforts to mitigate | the last several meetings that despite efforts to mitigate | ||
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Can't have it both ways, Marc. | Can't have it both ways, Marc. | ||
</pre> | |||
== sudo-discuss email from Eddan == | == sudo-discuss email from Eddan == | ||
<pre> | |||
It was also based on your emphatic veto on any mitigating | It was also based on your emphatic veto on any mitigating | ||
solution that involved any contact with our landlord in | solution that involved any contact with our landlord in | ||
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(I never vetoed anything) | (I never vetoed anything) | ||
</pre> | |||
== private email to me from Eddan == | == private email to me from Eddan == | ||
<pre> | |||
how dare you!?! | how dare you!?! | ||
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brief but neutral conversations with Eddan, | brief but neutral conversations with Eddan, | ||
like asking how he's been.) | like asking how he's been.) | ||
</pre> | |||
== sudo-discuss email from Eddan == | == sudo-discuss email from Eddan == | ||
<pre> | |||
how dare you!?! | how dare you!?! | ||
please stop the personal attacks. | please stop the personal attacks. | ||
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i would go with the group decision. | i would go with the group decision. | ||
We did not make a group decision to terminate the lease.) | We did not make a group decision to terminate the lease.) | ||
</pre> | |||
== sudo-discuss email from Eddan == | == sudo-discuss email from Eddan == | ||
<pre> | |||
maybe you should also share with the group our discussion | maybe you should also share with the group our discussion | ||
about how if anything happened at sudo room, i would be | about how if anything happened at sudo room, i would be | ||
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(I have never opposed taking Eddan off the lease | (I have never opposed taking Eddan off the lease | ||
and I have supported suggestions to get liability insurance) | and I have supported suggestions to get liability insurance) | ||
</pre> | |||
== sudo-discuss email from Eddan == | == sudo-discuss email from Eddan == | ||
<pre> | |||
i totally agree that we should keep cool. | i totally agree that we should keep cool. | ||
which is why i suggested, with enough lead time to | which is why i suggested, with enough lead time to | ||
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cut out. I want everyone to realize how serious this | cut out. I want everyone to realize how serious this | ||
really is: Eddan may have ruined our chances at having | really is: Eddan may have ruined our chances at having | ||
OK - below I'm going to also list the extent to which Marc demonstrated a complete lack of knowledge of the basic terms of what renting a place. Everything in this section is so bogus that Marc should be embarrased to have written it. | |||
-Eddan | |||
shared space with CCL. I do not feel inclined to make | shared space with CCL. I do not feel inclined to make | ||
allowances or excuses for his failings.) | allowances or excuses for his failings.) | ||
</pre> | |||