Mesh/26 Sep 2017

Peoples Open Meeting - Sept. 26, 2017

attendees

* Jehan -  been researching chimney mounts
* Mai - Worked for EFF for 5 years on policy & copyright issues. Sad couldn't make it to BYOI.. Good at organizing, talking to potential partners etc
* Sierk - spends time coding UIs, sent first monthly newsletter! added newsletter signup form to the bottom of each page in peoplesopen.net
* Lesley - ave been away for a little bit, want's to catch up, distributed door flyers in Berkeley Hills
* Keo - from france, wants to start mesh
* Grant -  did things for byoi, attempted node mount on sunday
* Scott -  did cooking for byoi, took over byoi station, working on circuitboard for disaster radio
* Carl - software developer, mostly mobile apps.  lives near Hayward
* Eve - retired sys admin, carried stuff to roof 
* Max - also member of nonprofit ISP that Keo mentioned
* Will - lives nearby, has node, helping with node mount
* Nic - helping out with enclosure design

• Jenny - helped out with byoi, negotiated space issues, been working on 501c3 application
• Robb - helped out with A/V at byoi, likes hardware, interested in node mounting & hardware side of disasterradio
• Tom - likes configuring nodes, controbited to previous byoi
• Jorrit - made signs for byoi, found interesting way of copying fonts from computer screen, curious about use cases for mesh/disaster_radio
• Tom2 - didn't design any logos, did co-found OMI (Open Mechanics Institute)
• Troy - Omni-brarian, meta lingistic system, getting a holographic system together

updates

• Grant (really marc, but Grant got the ball rolling) set up an etherpad instance! at pad.peoplesopen.net - link to old notes: https://pad.riseup.net/p/peoplesopen_agenda

node mount

https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/NodeMounts

• Jehan - ordered chimney straps Skywalker Signature Chimney Mounts w/Steel Straps
• LMI location at 9th & University Way. Offer to gigabit link to Dav's for $1800-3000/month (!!)
• Sierk: Can bounce from SF -> Dav ->i
• Jorrit: theme is that we're relying on donations of bandiwdth, if we provide the equipment?
  • - for example, would be willing to pay for connection if didn't have to pay for personal internet
  • jehan: if we have bandwidth and we build out an airfiber on his roof, then add on some point to multipoint equipment
    • jorrit: makes sense to own the equipment, get donated bandwidth, and avoid paying $1000+/month
      • jenny: think we should talk to that location. did we see if we had a signal to lynn & jim's? (A: No, power issues at mount location)
      • scott: ask the coops to pool in on a connection and get bandwidth from them
• scott: pay people's equipment costs - upgrading bandwidth is minimal in $$
  • jehan: need to focus on building out the actual mesh network
    • grant: ...need to sell the idea...
• scott: he rents this house, putting a huge mast is an issue. lothlorian is across the street. they have a treehouse.
• mai: not understanding why not go with the coop members, who seem better locations, than this more expensive option?
  • jenny: coop members used to attend meetings... issue seemed to be that coop rooftops were not in clear LOS to LMI location
    • jehan: sudo didn't start raising funds significantly until we decided to take the plunge on the available room
      • mai: would need to fundraise
• robb: lmi and sonic allow sharing in their TOS - and Sonic has cheap fiber rolling out in SF

hurricane electric

Jehan has been in contact with James Martin, has rack at hurrican electric, free or $75 a month, they will not shut us down for DMCA takedown requests

althea

fixing routers from byoi, and worked spreadsheet for incentived mesh

cuba

Mai:

• Mai is going to Cuba in November for tech solidarity, free software foundation, EFF peoples, looking at it as not just teaching but, cross cultural exchange,
• Internet is spotty in Cuba, you can get the internet on a cdrom with downloads of what you want to see.
• Wants to see if there is potential for cross border connection

• Tom - various open source computer cafes across Havana, let visitors and tourists use this
• WIll - was there two years ago, 6 wifi hotspots, 5 dollars/minute.
• Robb, talked to someone who when down there with mesh routers, kids liked it for gaming.
• Jenny - piping stream of concert out to people in parking lot
• Jehan - why is internet not available there?
• Will - it's a politcal thing...wifi hotspots are mostly at western hotels
• Jorrit - 1. internet in a box, 3 nodes preconfigured to mesh with one another, maybe Mai could take equipment
• Mai - worried about seeming like a spy
• Jorrit - 2. data MULE! , could physically carry around your data
• Nic - went 2 months ago, its now 2 dollars/min, Cuba is paranoid about western propaganda
• Sierk - maybe Mai could report back at the next byoi
• Jenny - Mai, are you doing participatory action research - actually implementing a network down there? or more surveying the landscape?
  • Mai - going as jorunalist, organizing confernce
• sierk: sudoroom has a connection to computer distribution project in cuba (daniel? ed?)
• Jorrit - interesting that they do it already, propaganda is real!

* Mai - we have a host of different problems for why we haven't done it yet

• Nic: Documentary on internet in Cuba: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=692&v=sqxzYGR8qh4

byoi

Sierk - thanks scott for food jenny: and grant for stickers & buttons! *proceeds to grab cashbox w/ stickers & drops it all over the floor. loudly*

mozilla / nsf grant

• November 2017 submission deadline for Design
• January 2018 - announcment of first stage winners announcement
• Jun 2018 - workin prototype submissions
• scott: meetup about use cases
• jenny: suggests forming a finance committee
  • sierk: thinks is a good idea to create a finance committee
    • mai: is not so simple as crunching the numbers. having a process in place is key, before you get the money. also, mozilla will want to see that you're working with other groups
      • nic: marc was hoping to pair up with Institute for the Future and get expert input on variety of topics.
        • scott: can contact Nerd for Naturewith
• lesley: consider how we can avoid paying money to private companies eg Hurrican Electric, LMI
• grant: DisasterRadio pairing with Secure Scuttlebutt..
  • sierk: might also be some groups inside the omni interested in collaborating eg Community Democracy Project

= 1023 app

• Jenny - if anyone wants to hack on the language for the app?
• 400 dollar fee for submitting application,

Grant - are you looking for contributions Jenny - looking for bitcoin and figuring how much we need to raise. does not want to move anything from sudomesh bank account Mai - how are decisions made Jenny - they are executed through consensus unless there are legal concerns, then it comes down to the board of directors

• Jehan - issue with bylaws, thought sudomesh was the networking group and peoplesopen is the network
• Eve - has previously been confused about this distoincition
• Jorrit - peoplesopen is a thing you use, sudomesh is a group that provides support, hopes to get other groups involved
• Jenny - this model was inspired by wlan_slovenja as they expanded from city -> international

action items

• research ??? - jehan
• conflict of interest policy - Mozilla grant we are applying for - deadline in november
• Nic - Someone please help upload this brochure to the Wiki, I have an 8mb limit and the image doesn't compress well. Thanks! https://tmi.li/index.php/s/q0B3WwXQZpnch0Z - jenny just increased upload size to 20MB, plz tste
• research proper content management system - grant ;)

breakout groups

• sever & dremel & wine - jehan / grant
• intro to new folks - jorrit / will
• DisasterRadio - grant / robb / scott / nic