Hey meshers,
This is your weekly reminder to add any topics you'd like to be discussed
to the SudoMesh meeting agenda before 7:30p on Tuesday 27 February:
https://peoplesopen.net/pad/p/notes
>> Add your item where it says "Example Discussion Item" or "Example
Proposal"
If you do add something, we expect you to come to the meeting to give some
context and lead that discussion.
This is Tuesday is also (officially) a general meeting, so new people are
encouraged to come and learn about …
[View More]the mesh! Plus, we may have another Node
Whisperer Program <https://github.com/sudomesh/node-whisperer-program>
breakout group if people are interested.
See y'all Tuesday!
-grant____/@paidforby
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Hey mesh people!
We are in need of some volunteer electrical help. One potential node
location has some unique power constraints and the resident would like
advice on untangling a junction box and running some new conduit out of it.
They are willing to do most of the labor themself, but would like to
consult with someone who has experience as an electrician and is familiar
with installation standards.
If you'd like to help out, please email me directly as I am coordinating
with resident.
Thanks,
-grant
Hello fellow mesh enthusiasts,
Apologies for the late notice! — Tomorrow Sun 25 Feb we'll have Build Your
Own Internet (BYOI) office hours* from 1pm at SudoRoom. HOWEVER, most of
us will be preparing for and going out to mount nodes (aka antenna + wifi
router) at two strategic locations.
We haven't yet determined who all is going to each one, but you can show up
and we can figure it out then. Or if you can't join on the outing, stop by
closer to 1pm to ask us questions/observe as we prepare …
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to learn about what it's like to go on a node mount.
cheers,
Mai
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** What are BYOI office hours? It serves two purposes:*
*1. A jumping off point for people interested helping with a scheduled
Sunday node mount, but who are not able to attend a Tuesday night meeting
or are not "in the know."*
*2. A friendly, non-confrontational time for new people to get oriented to
the project or just ask general questions about networking, the internet,
and their service provider.*
*We may also use the time to hold training sessions on a topic of choice,
conduct outreach to potential node locations, address finances and
purchasing, or tackle any other outstanding issues.*
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Hi folks (Ivan and Alex?),
My name is Arthur. I'm part of a group called the People's Open Network.
We're a Oakland based non-profit trying to foster a community run mesh
network in the Bay Area.
https://peoplesopen.net/
I asked for your contact information from my friend Jerry Lugert, who I'm
sure you know. (Jerry is currently road tripping through the south-east US
in his new VW van.) Also I myself was at your place on Euclid years ago
for a small dinner event.
I wanted to reach out …
[View More]because I'm hoping you might be interested in being
part of the PON, may want to obtain a home node, and might be willing to
make space for one or more antennae on your roof.
An overview of how individual nodes function in the overall mesh can be
found here
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/Technical_Overview
Whether or not you would wish to share bandwidth or function simply as a
repeater is up to you.
If you would just like to talk about the group, please feel free to ask,
and if you are willing, I and a couple others could come over some weekend
to fill you in on the details.
I really do hope to hear from you. :)
best,
Arthur
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hey y'all:
After our infamous weeks long exit node outage (see
https://github.com/sudomesh/bugs/issues/8) , I am hoping to get more
folks to explain to others how nodes (home/exit) work and keep 'em
running. Now is a good time because juul is pretty busy and I'll be out
of the country until early March.
This is why I've added the following proposal for tomorrows meeting:
"The Node Explainer Program (NEP, better names proposal encouraged: node
whisperer, node operator?) - *Node …
[View More]explainers explain how (exit/home)
nodes work and keep them from misbehaving by troubleshooting, preparing
bug fixes, applying patches, implementing new features and upgrading
software. *To become a node explainer, you should be able to show
someone how to build your own internet by configuring one, (ideally two)
home node(s) (https://peoplesopen.net/walkthrough ) to use a custom,
self-created exitnode (https://github.com/sudomesh/exitnode ). This also
includes showing how babeld and tunneldigger work together by using (and
improving!) https://github.com/sudomesh/babeld-lab and
https://github.com/sudomesh/tunneldigger-lab on the home and exit nodes
using tools like ip route , ip addr, tcpdump . "
Hoping to help get 2-3 explainers (the three bens + ... ?) up and
running before Thursday, and I am volunteering for a node explainer
break-out on Tuesday after the general sudomesh meeting. If you are
thinking of joining, please bring a laptop with ethernet port, a home
node and access to a digital ocean account. Please holler if you have
questions or just want to share that this is a ridiculous idea.
thx,
-jorrit
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People's Open Network has received an Honorable Mention for the Smart
Community Networks Challenge! Both PON and Disaster Radio have been chosen
to move onto Stage 2 of the Challenge.
Great work, team!
--
Jenny Ryan
People's Open Network <https://peoplesopen.net>
*Building a community-owned and -operated wireless network in Oakland,
California!*
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mehan Jayasuriya <mehan(a)mozillafoundation.org>
Date: Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 1:06 PM
Subject:…
[View More] [Mozilla/NSF-WINS] Stage 1 winners and Stage 2 instructions
To: Mehan Jayasuriya <wirelesschallenge(a)mozillafoundation.org>
Hello,
This morning, we announced the 20 teams that were chosen for awards during
Stage 1 of the NSF-WINS Challenges. You can view all of the winning
projects, as well as profiles of our judges, on the NSF-WINS website
<https://wirelesschallenge.mozilla.org/>.
If you’re receiving this email, your team has been selected to move on to
Stage 2 of the Challenges. We’re experiencing an issue where some teams did
not receive notification of their status via email; please find a copy of
the Stage 2 notification letter attached to this email. If you have any
additional questions about your application status, please let us know.
What’s Next?
The WINS Stage 2 application is now available via the Fluxx portal. Simply
log into Fluxx using your existing credentials in order to fill out the
application. Please see the application guide for a full set of
instructions on how to fill out the Stage 2 application
<https://wirelesschallenge.mozilla.org/_assets/NSF.WINS.application.guide.pdf>.
Please make sure you’re using the latest version of the guide (v1.3,
February 2018), as some of the Stage 2 application questions have changed
since the previous version. Your Stage 2 application is due by June 22nd.
What Will the Judges Be Looking for in Stage 2?
The goal of Stage 2 of the Challenges is to turn your design concept into a
working prototype that demonstrates what the capabilities of a real network
based on your design could be. This might mean a piece of hardware (for
example, a single network node that runs your software), an MVP (minimum
viable product) version of your solution or even a small-scale test network
that users can connect to. Judges will be looking for a prototype that can
demonstrate things like network speed, range and power consumption; please
see the application guide for a detailed list of criteria
<https://wirelesschallenge.mozilla.org/_assets/NSF.WINS.application.guide.pdf>
.
In July, a select number of Stage 2 finalists will be invited to a “demo
day” showcase in Mountain View, CA on August 14th, where they will demo
their working prototypes for judges. Finalists will be asked to give a
short presentation that identifies the problem they are trying to solve,
the intended users of their solution and the capabilities of their
prototype. More details on the demo day event will be provided this summer.
Congratulations on being selected to move on to Stage 2 of the Challenges!
We look forward to reviewing your working prototype this summer. If you
have any questions, please let me know.
Thanks,
Mehan Jayasuriya
Program Manager, NSF-WINS
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Count me in. I will be there tonight for breakout, and do my best to become
an explainer
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 21:24:24 -0800
> From: Jorrit Poelen <jhpoelen(a)xs4all.nl>
> To: mesh <mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: [Mesh] Proposing/ Announcing the Node Explainer Program (NEP)
> - starting tomorrow!
> Message-ID: <5af61ff6-836b-7c8b-cc9a-e20aa93bd56e(a)xs4all.nl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
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> hey y'all:
>
> After our infamous weeks long exit node outage (see
> https://github.com/sudomesh/bugs/issues/8) , I am hoping to get more
> folks to explain to others how nodes (home/exit) work and keep 'em
> running. Now is a good time because juul is pretty busy and I'll be out
> of the country until early March.
>
> This is why I've added the following proposal for tomorrows meeting:
>
> "The Node Explainer Program (NEP, better names proposal encouraged: node
> whisperer, node operator?) - *Node explainers explain how (exit/home)
> nodes work and keep them from misbehaving by troubleshooting, preparing
> bug fixes, applying patches, implementing new features and upgrading
> software. *To become a node explainer, you should be able to show
> someone how to build your own internet by configuring one, (ideally two)
> home node(s) (https://peoplesopen.net/walkthrough ) to use a custom,
> self-created exitnode (https://github.com/sudomesh/exitnode ). This also
> includes showing how babeld and tunneldigger work together by using (and
> improving!) https://github.com/sudomesh/babeld-lab and
> https://github.com/sudomesh/tunneldigger-lab on the home and exit nodes
> using tools like ip route , ip addr, tcpdump . "
>
> Hoping to help get 2-3 explainers (the three bens + ... ?) up and
> running before Thursday, and I am volunteering for a node explainer
> break-out on Tuesday after the general sudomesh meeting. If you are
> thinking of joining, please bring a laptop with ethernet port, a home
> node and access to a digital ocean account. Please holler if you have
> questions or just want to share that this is a ridiculous idea.
>
> thx,
> -jorrit
>
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Hey there,
This is your weekly reminder to add any topics you'd like to be discussed
to the SudoMesh meeting agenda before Tuesday 20 February:
https://peoplesopen.net/pad/p/notes
>> Add your discussion item where it says "Example Discussion Item" or
"Example Proposal"
If you do add something, we expect you to come to the meeting to give some
context and lead that discussion.
Thanks!
Mai
Minutes from People's Open Network Weekly Meeting - 13 February 2018
7:30pm-9pm
- https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy
Contents
- 1 Agenda <https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/13_Feb_2018#Agenda>
- 2 Introductions
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/13_Feb_2018#Introductions>
- 3 Meeting Roles
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/13_Feb_2018#Meeting_Roles>
- 4 Check in on previous action items
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/13_Feb_2018#…
[View More]Check_in_on_previous_action_items>
- 5 Updates & Reportbacks
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/13_Feb_2018#Updates_.26_Reportbacks>
- 5.1 Bugs/Technical
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/13_Feb_2018#Bugs.2FTechnical>
- 5.2 Node Mounts & Outreach
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/13_Feb_2018#Node_Mounts_.26_Outreach>
- 5.3 Communications & Events
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/13_Feb_2018#Communications_.26_Events>
- 5.4 Internal Logistics / Finance
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/13_Feb_2018#Internal_Logistics_.2F_Finance>
- 6 Sundays <https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/13_Feb_2018#Sundays>
- 6.1 Node Mount
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/13_Feb_2018#Node_Mount>
- 6.2 Office Hours
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/13_Feb_2018#Office_Hours>
- 7 Proposal: Alameda Open Network
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/13_Feb_2018#Proposal:_Alameda_Open_Network>
- 8 Proposal: Semi-synchronous Chat Options
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/13_Feb_2018#Proposal:_Semi-synchronous_Chat_…>
- 9 Discussion: Preparation for People's Open Strategic Plan Meeting
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/13_Feb_2018#Discussion:_Preparation_for_Peop…>
- 10 Discussion: PON Home Node and Exit Node Management
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/13_Feb_2018#Discussion:_PON_Home_Node_and_Ex…>
- 11 related topic: makenode documentation/deprecation
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/13_Feb_2018#related_topic:_makenode_document…>
- 12 Action Items
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/13_Feb_2018#Action_Items>
- 13 Breakout Groups
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/13_Feb_2018#Breakout_Groups>
- 14 Last Meeting Notes
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/13_Feb_2018#Last_Meeting_Notes>
- 15 End of Meeting
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/13_Feb_2018#End_of_Meeting>
Agenda
- Introductions and Meeting Roles (10 mins)
- Check in on previous action items (5 mins)
- Updates & Reportbacks (20 mins)
- Sundays (5 mins)
- Proposal: Alameda Open Network Proposal (15 mins)
- Proposal: Semi-synchronous Chat Options (10 mins)
- Discussion: Preparation for the stategic plan meeting (10 mins)
- Discussion: PON Home Node and Exit Node Management (20 mins)
- Action Items (5 mins)
- Breakout Groups
Introductions
Introduce yourself: Name; Preferred Pronoun; Icebreaker Response; BRIEF
Announcements
- Icebreaker question: Favorite candy
- mai - she/they, favorite candy kit-kat, no announcements
- jorrit - he/him, flashback to when he was 8, winegums? and Coke.
- bengo - he him, they/them, special edition Y2K sweethearts
- JJ - he/him - candied ginger
- benny - he/they, likes sour patch watermelon gummie
- sierk - chocolate cookies
- Robb - he/him/they - candied ginger, SKOR bar
- Grant - he /they - mentos -
- jenny - she/her, not a candy person, dark chocolate, any annoucments,
nope
- Ben - he/they, dark chocolate, go to meet with Jeff tomorrow at 1pm (s
of campus)
- jehan - he/him - jelly beans, wants to help with tunnel
Meeting Roles
- Facilitator/s: Mai
- Stacktaker: Robb
- Notetaker/s: Benny, Grant, Jenny
- URL of this pad: https://peoplesopen.net/notes
- Next meeting's facilitator(s):
Check in on previous action items
Check previous meeting minutes at https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/Minutes
and past action items below:
- create meeting agenda template (eg
https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Delegates_Meeting_Notes_Template ) and
archive nov-feb notes - jenny
- see https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/Mesh_Meeting_Notes_Template and
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/Minutes
- re-ping lolspace & respond to julia (AJ+ contact) - jenny
- pinged devie a couple of days ago to see if they would be
interested, requested to check back in March, location is close
to village,
sped up timeline to be part of al jazeera feature
- got positive reponse from AJ+, hoping to hear back from lolspace
- jorrit - thanks, for listening to comments from last weeks meeting
despite not being here
- no reply from Devi yet (lolspace) - forwarded Julia's response to
sudomesh signal group (folks seemed positive)
- nyc mesh meetup - jehan
- the meetup was in a bar, back patio, apparently their meetup
schedule is not that regular, they have some but they are for particular
purposes, this was a more general public meetup. The event started small,
but grew and then turned into a panel discussion with the members of
NYCmesh, they have a lot of inbound interest, a lot more than
they can deal
with. They don't look at individuals, but try to hook up entire
building by
talking to landlords. They are using a firmware, old custom build of QMP?
SO they have trouble updating it, but it does work. They don't pay for
bandwidth, they have a gigabit, average 50mbps with peak of 300mbps. They
have ~1/3 or ~1/5 chance that people could get internet access. Using
primarily Ubiquiti AirGrids
Also hungout with some people in brooklyn who's internet access is through
NYCmesh. Bandwidth just from one node in Manhattan. 5-8 inbounds a week ->
5-8 inbounds a day after press.
-
- jorrit - what wold you copy that they do there?
- jehan - could be wrong about assessment, but having a high up node
that can be connected to easily seems to have been very helpful to them.
everyone who mails in, they reply, can you see the verizon building from
your apartment? okay we can do it. [we have a harder process]
- mai - do they have any mesh service?
- jehan - there's a guy running a wiki from his house
- previous meeting w/ nycmesh:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/05_July_2016
- send out doodle for budget/strategy meeting - mai
- https://doodle.com/poll/ni5vmu5nvsdxpqip
- mai - decided on 2pm on Saturday, Feb 17th
Updates & Reportbacks Bugs/Technical
Priority bugs we need help with are located at:
http://peoplesopen.net/helpwanted - For a high-level overview of recent
Github activity, see the Trello:
https://trello.com/invite/b/r9l5ouQ4/3b2eecd83bb9e7a57a339cf1ee038288/sudo-…
- see helpwanted link
- bug #8 - debugging exit node,
- jorrit - seems to have figured out how to set up an exit node (in
Germany!) poked around the actual exit node, saw some stuff that could be
fixed
- jorrit - feel like I'm looking at a house burning down
- jorrit - will talk more about operations later
- to fix bug #1, need to fix bug #8. made a quick script for
creating exit node, want to explain to 3-4 other people. wants to do a
breakout.
-
- grant - I really like "setting up an exitnode" as a sunday skill
share. props! wondering--if a node is already up and never gets
reset, how
can you get root access once it's on their private internet?
- jorrit - need to reproduce it
- jenny - yar(sp?) says jorrit *does* have root access to the mesh
exit node
-
- Bengo - are the trello links supposed to be closed?
- jenny - invite only yeah, pasting link.
-
- jorrit and Bengo [exit node explanation]
- jorrit - want to dispute netflix idea that netflix is blocking
peoples open traffic
-
- grant - idea: other bugs, #2 and #13, can be fixed by documenting
makenode
- robb - recalls someone mentioning netflix doesn't allow vpn traffic
- jorrit - need to test
- jehan - no im positive that's it
- jorrit - wants to see proof
- jehan - could ask netflix, hey this is not a vpn ur confused; work
with us
Node Mounts & Outreach
Node Mounts Trello:
https://trello.com/invite/b/DtzngKaM/49e1c21fc9da199fcdeceb8623b5117a/node-…
- ben - going to jeff's place tomorrow, if anyone would like to do a
weekday mount?
- sierk - grant and I are gonna do a survey at Ed's place. Also found
another location within LOS to Driveway Follies, also talking with
Biblioteca near LOLspace/Village
-
Communications & Events
Comms Trello:
https://trello.com/invite/b/f3ugMPNU/94033ee6c2cef93fc1b1637b727c902a/sudo-…
// Events Trello:
https://trello.com/invite/b/Y3XfDK85/2b6fcb4fa92788609692a53a96fb4614/peopl…
- mai - AJ+ already discussed
- jenny - january 11th, people wanting to start mesh network in LA. who
wants to follow up?
- sierk - i could follow up--asked the person who asked me about it to
e-mail, but they never got in touch
Internal Logistics / Finance
Internal Logistics & Bureaucracy Trello:
https://trello.com/invite/b/LzVQlW3X/1bb8bd543c8633688175365d2554c2c2/inter…
- INSURANCE: Will & Jenny have been trying to get a quote for Directors
& Officers insurance. Last reply was 1/25 from Tracy @ Brignole & Ghiri: "I
have not been successful in obtaining a quote for the Directors & Officers
Liability coverage. I have either been declined by markets due to the
business operations or a minimum premium of $15,000. I do have a request
for the following:
- Please forward your financials. If financials are not available do
you have a budget? (Estimation of revenues and expenses)."
- Budget Draft:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QJetruKfHrO5bpaLDk_smXYpLSvGlzytda_…
- "What is your business plan. "
- Biz Plan Draft:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H8x3JnbGEkoeE3CwMzrCC0MD1tIAhb6O8JjLsiC…
- jenny - biz plan and budget draft just need to show that we've
given them thought--doesn't have to be final
- HELP WANTED on the above!
- GOVT FILINGS:
- Jenny sending CT-1 initial reg form to the Attorney General tmrw.
Once approved we get a # and then have to file RRF-1s probably for
2014-2017.
- Business Tax exemption - jnny can't remember if she did it form
mesh when she did it for omni & sudo. will show up on the radar
if/when we
start making $$. will x-check
- FINANCE: $1,187 in bank acct.
- Mozilla requesting a W-9 - jenny will send tmrw w/ CT-1.
- Still requesting equipment budget requests! Please add to the notes.
- Setting up proper accounting this year - ping jnny if you're
interested in helping/learning.
- jenny - needs dollar amount from jorrit for cow/chicken
reimbursement
- bengo - what's better than a spreadsheet
- jenny - would like to setup a quickbooks online
- jorrit - what's your plan to help others to help you? Oracle of All
Things Complicated
- jenny - could send out a doodle
- mai - something we could discuss on Saturday (strategic planning
meeting)
Sundays Node Mount
We try to arrange a rooftop node mount every Sunday afternoon. Ongoing
spreadsheet is located at: https://peoplesopen.net/sundays
- Next Sunday's mount:
Office Hours
We host office hours every Sunday from 1-2pm in Sudo Room. To sign up for a
shift, fill in your name here: https://ethercalc.org/byoi_office_hours
- Next Sunday's volunteer: Benny,
- Notes from this past Sunday's session:
- Created new "Workshop" landing page for PeoplesOpen.net about BYOI
https://peoplesopen.net/workshop.html
- Cleaned up and added to Mounting Guide
https://github.com/sudomesh/mounting
- Creation of People's Open Network and Sudo Room pages on Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Open_Network
- Attempt at cleaning up SudoMesh wiki
https://peoplesopen.net/pad/p/wiki_cleanup help needed!
- sierk wants to help out with wiki cleanup
- Benny - is inserting peoplesopen site into disaster radio template
Proposal: Alameda Open Network
grant talked with Amos White this afternoon https://about.me/amoswhite
- he is proposing to head up a large-scale, pratical roll out of a
People's Open Network in Alameda and would like to hold workshop(s) very
soon (he suggested starting Sat. Mar. 3) on how to go about doing this.
could sync up well with on-going outreach in East Oakland and
-
- grant explained current state of the Oakland PON and various
considerations he would have to think about (cost, LOS, volunteers, etc)
- see email chain here
https://trello.com/c/OLMqxcph/91-alameda-open-network
- grant - I wanna know what people think of doing Alameda workshops
with amos--practical stuff, getting/setting up antennas
- jorrit - as you were talking, I was seeing them coming here to get
trained (as opposed to us going there). can slowly segue into bigger event.
- mai - do they have an internet access point? were they hoping we would
provide that?
- grant - i explained that he would have to look into what places in
Oakland he had LOS to
- robb - diane's has a perfect shot at alameda and richmond
- jenny - still need to power the node
- mai - is there anything we can do regarding the richmond tower?
- jenny - the holdup is only that we need to coordinate with Jonah(sp?),
probably buy new equipment to put up there, and do a site survey. they have
a second tower that might have better LOS to the south. I've been putting
in on the agenda, but I wasn't here for a bit.
- mai - I think this would be a great thing to discuss at the strategic
plan discussion. It's a great path forward.
- jenny - I brought up determining a peering agreement to solidify our
partnership--his only concern was that he didn't want to get tied into
anything too serious in case they have to back out of the agreement
- jorrit - we had a long discussion about that, and i think we decided
that there would be no (peering) agreement
-
- Agreement was to not have any formal agreement
- jorrit - re: Amos, first thing is to get him familiar with how
stuff works. that can happen right away. e.g. by the time he has two nodes
up and running, our exit node should be resolved.
- robb - they should do a BYOI (in alameda)
- jehan - if they can/want to pay for an uplink, they might be able to
get an uplink through digital realty
- right across from Digital Realty which is part of SFMIX (SF
metropolitan internet exchange)
- jorrit - i want to make sure we don't scare anyone away with our own
fears (e.g. bugs we are fixing that they may never have to face)
- ben - [questions about whether trees are blocking LOS from Diane ->
Alameda]
- mai - agree w/ jorrit that best way forward is to invite Amos to BYOI
office hours. It's awesome that he sounds so enthusiastic.
- grant - I also suggested office hours! (high five). I also liked
robb's suggestion to get Alameda people organized. I tried to make it clear
that we can't just hop on over and set everything up. But we can provide
tools and knowledge so you can hold your own workshop. Can organize people
in Alameda who are interested, bring them here, and we can train them about
how to have their own workshops.Going to shoot him an e-mail tomorrow. Will
reference notes.
- jehan - is it safe to delete the peoplesopen.network email server?
- jenny - that's the contact info for mozilla
Proposal: Semi-synchronous Chat Options
- Rocket.Chat at http://peoplesopen.net:3000 (NOT YET SECURE and maybe
up/down, but will have demo running Tuesday night)
- daniel & grant worked on it a bunch on sat, trying to set it up on
a raspi
- now set up on a DO droplet running ubuntu.
- Let's Chat - had trouble running on sudomesh server
- Mattermost - haven't tried
- Matrix - haven't tried
- sierk - what will it replace?
- jenny - IRC, info@ emails
- jehan - how does it compare to matrix?
- grant - dunno--rocketchat had clear docs.
- ben - am happy w/ mattermost at my home. it seems pretty similar.
- x - also recommends Discord, for voicechat
- Consenso? Do we wanna go ahead with another chat platform?
- benny: get it minimally solid for us to try out
- sierk: try it for a few months then we know what features are
missing
- we're-a test it out for awhile "get on there"
- "if you don't wanna try it maybe you can get in there & let us
know" - jehan
Discussion: Preparation for People's Open Strategic Plan Meeting
- How should we get input from people who can't attend the meeting? In
order to also inform what our community would like to see out of PON.
- Suggestions: Send out a survey before Saturday
- proposal: mai - draft a form to send out tomorrow afternoon
- inviting suggestions for what should be on survey, will post to
signal group
Discussion: PON Home Node and Exit Node Management
Discuss/share current state of, and ideas regarding: patching home nodes,
maintaining exit nodes and monitoring network health
- jorrit - the reason for bringing this up is to get some ideas from the
group on how to move forward on managing the network we love so much
- there are two bits to it, the managment of the deployed nodes (home
and extender) and management of the exit node
- would like to first share how we do it today, right now we have one
active person who has access to ssh and patch nodes
- some months ago there was a the KRACK attack, that one person
jumped up and fixed all the nodes
- the exit node, there is are maybe one of two who are familiar with,
jehan is one, no he isn't, ok there is one. Yar has access, but doesn't
know what is running.
- mai - was the propsal at the last update that you would spread that
knowledge?
- jorrit -that was the technical part, this is the organizational part
- sierk - very relevant, mentioned something similar to grant, we get
to the state that we have a lot to maintian and that people rely
on, have a
few volunteers who are active maintainers of services and repos.
suggest we
discuss this on saturday - point people for specific aspects
- jorrit - for this discussion I wanna talk specifically about a plan
of action once the old exit node goes up--do we patch the existing nodes?
- jehan - we have nothing to lose
- jorrit - but the one person who has acces to do it.
- jenny - it's obviously problematic to have only one person with
access to do this. it's currently the case because earlier,
there was only
one person sufficiently paranoid, competent, and gung-ho to do
this. now we
probably have more people who can have this responsibility. we
need to come
up with personal security protocols for system administration.
- jorrit - what I'm hearing from you is that we're okay with remote
management of home nodes (if people consent)
- grant - current state of network is remote patching with
opt-out--you need to know that you can opt-out before you can
opt-out. this
is a bug in previous firmware. i vote for, with new firmware, you need to
opt-in to being open to remote fixes/updates.
- jorrit - what I'm hearing from grant is that you want explicit
opt-in.
- jenny - I also like this.
- jehan - right now there are people out there w/ open wifi hotspots
that are using their home internet connection. we should
definitely remote
in to fix this.
- grant - this is related to the "document makenode" issue. I'm
documenting makenode right now so it will be easier to make
these firmware
changes we're talking about.
- mai - seems like if we have a mailing list of people who have
nodes, then we should let them know about the bug (if they're providing
open wifi access to their internet) for the sake of transparency. in that
same e-mail, we should let them know that we're working on this
issue, and
we can help them fix it themselves, or we can fix it for them remotely.
Reaching out to them is in the nature and spirit of this project. Letting
them be empowered to fix it themselves, or choose to let us do
it for them.
That's my communication suggestion.
- sierk - Similar to Mai, but more long term--are we going to discuss
this elsewhere, because there are some details... it will take some time.
new mailing list?
- mai - definitely should discuss on saturday
- ben - very little to lose by giving other people agency about the
bug. more of a problem if people don't know and something happens.
- jenny - only issue i see is that we do not have a mailing list of
node operators.
- jorrit - sounds like we have consensus about what to communicate
but not how. I stil want to get consensus on whether we should
proactively
remotely patch things if we can.
- grant - bug number 1? yes we should remote patch. but we should
discuss whether to remote patch all other bugs.
- mai - are we going to say that we're going to fix it proactively?
- jorrit - i want to separate (1) that we are going to proactively
patch and (2) that we are going to send an e-mail to operators
- grant - we did this in september--marc got some, didn't get others.
in the past i have sent an e-mail to the list.
- Possible Plan: Get exit node up, fix the code, update firmware on
existing nodes,, then:
- update firmware with opt-in process for remote maintenance
- establish protocol for those with remote access
Should we remote-patch Bug #1?
- Mai: Does this entail we let them know beforehand?
- Jorrit: No, we'd just patch it. Send an email.
- Aye: Grant, Jenny ??? we are evidently unable to move onto
decision-making-moment :P :)
- Nay:
- Abstain:
-
- ben - how long does a mount take?
- robb - it's usually like 6 hours. could probably do it in 3.
related topic: makenode documentation/deprecation
(announcement): Anyone wanna help document makenode? see
https://peoplesopen.net/pad/p/makenode - also
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/Makenode
Action Items
- Send CT-1 and W-9 - Jenny
- Follow up on D&O Insurance - Jenny, ?
- Reply to Julia / AJ+ - Jenny
- Move peoplesopen.network emails to new Migadu server - Jenny/Jehan
- Get rocket.chat secure and persistent on sudomesh server - grant
- Draft group consensus and send to Amos White - grant
- Send survey to mailing list ahead of strategic meeting - mai
- Weekday node mount with Jeff 12pm Wednesday - Ben, mai, grant
Breakout Groups
At the end of the meeting, break out into small groups to hack on or
discuss specific topics.
- Exit Node Debug: Jorrit, mai, grant, bengo, benny
Last Meeting Notes
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