Jenny - sorry if I came across as pushing for an open process in this
instance. I really don't know enough yet to have an opinion on that -
mainly just wanted to point out a couple relevant initiatives with
transparent reasoning, to inform the discussion.
thanks for sharing your sudo page!
Pete
On Dec 4, 2013 4:47 PM, "Charles N Wyble" <charles(a)thefnf.org> wrote:
Perhaps I should not have sent it out to the FNF list
, but to our
leadership team directly. We've only just discovered the grant and won't
necessarily apply for it. It could be useful for some things we are working
on, or to allow Isaac to remain working full time for FNF. He has given up
a lot in order to work full time on FNF.
Also to be clear:
1)FNF hasn't deployed any nodes (we've worked to keep our name as a
supporting or facilitating partner in press coverage). Connecting for good
and others have done the deployments. We've provided support, advice and
subject matter expertise in terms of optimization etc.
2) We have put substantial effort into advancing the wireless wide area
networking body of knowledge via our wiki and ongoing hacker dojo training
and of course presentations at conferences and user groups. Also our lab
etc. Does this qualify us under the grant? Perhaps so, perhaps not.
3) We have not as of yet shipped any software. Not even 0.0.1 release. To
a certain extent FreedomStack could be considered vaporware. :)
On the other hand, we do have a pretty good track record with grant
applications.
So in all likelihood, sudoroom would have a higher chance of success based
on my preliminary reading of the grant details.
I would be happy to assist however I can with sudoroom getting the grant.
You guys have a good (but still somewhat nascent) track record, and I
believe will continue to do great things for the mesh/wwan community in the
US and globally.
Thanks for reading.
Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Pete - Had Charles proposed collaborating with us
in applying for the
grant, then this would fit into the model you're describing. However,
having both of our orgs apply for the same single grant is effectively
directly competing with us for the same pot, since we're both working
on
similar projects. And, since we're a newer project and have yet to
deploy
any nodes, FNF is considerably more likely to win it.
I of course support open submissions and reporting, hence my creation
of this
wiki page <https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Funding> on the sudoroom wiki.
Jenny
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On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I tend to agree with Charles -- using an open
process to apply for
grants
has its benefits. (Not to say there aren't
drawbacks as well -- it's
a
judgment call.) But, for some interesting
reading, I'd point out the
relevant policy of the OER Foundation:
-
http://wikieducator.org/OERF:FAQs/OER_Foundation/#Can_my_institution_join_o…
and the Wikimedia grants program also requires open submissions and
reporting:
-
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Index
-Pete
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Charles N Wyble
<charles(a)thefnf.org>wrote;wrote:
> Why should they be kept off list? It was a good grant and FNF is
just as
> capable and valid to apply for it.
>
> Plus if it was on boing boing it's public.
>
> Very curious behavior.
>
> Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >It would seem we should maybe keep funding opportunities off-list
> >(private
> >email or at meetings), but thanks for the heads up, Ryan!
> >On Dec 4, 2013 1:18 PM, "Charles N Wyble"
<charles(a)knownelement.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Should we apply for this?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -------- Original Message --------
>> >> From: Ryan Evans <ryanlyleevans(a)gmail.com>
>> >> Sent: Wed Dec 04 12:02:43 CST 2013
>> >> To: mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>> >> Subject: [Mesh] grant
>> >>
>> >> Via BoingBoing, a $10k technology
>> >>
>> >grant<http://www.tides.org/impact/awards-prizes/pizzigati-prize/
>> >(proposal
>> >> due friday)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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