25 Sep
2013
25 Sep
'13
4:39 p.m.
Hi everybody,
I'm new to town and I'm interested in helping with the project. I'll be at
the meeting on Thursday. I wanted to focus more on the hardware aspect side
of things. I have a background as an EE and I haven't had much field
experience with radios and networking, but it's one of the three projects I
will be focusing on in Oakland. One detail that I can't figure out if it's
built into the cjdn nodes bridge to the internet. I'm guessing yes, but I
can't find anything that specifies it.
Maybe somebody will be willing to catch me up with some of the local
project details.
See you tomorrow,
Jeremy
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1. Re: mail and web operational (charles(a)thefnf.org)
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3. Re: Open Garden white paper! (The Doctor)
4. Re: mail and web operational (rhodey)
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:17:07 -0500
From: charles(a)thefnf.org
To: Mitar <mitar(a)tnode.com>,Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com>
Cc: Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk>dk>, mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org
Subject: Re: [Mesh] mail and web operational
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Mitar <mitar(a)tnode.com> wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wireless_community_networks_by_region
I think Mitar is really on to something here and i tend to agree with his
position. I think we have a great list of his points/position.
Guifi.us has a very specific goal: take the wndw.net site and turn it
into a simple process: plan, fund, procure, build. It will scrape from
existing map sources for its map. The less to scrape from the better!
Jenny/all,
Do you have a spec/goals/motivations etc page up somewhere for
meshthepla.net?
--
Charles Wyble
(818) 280-7059 charles(a)knownelement.com
CTO Free Network Foundation (thefnf.org)
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:20:36 -0500
From: charles(a)thefnf.org
To: Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com>
Cc: Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk>dk>, mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org
Subject: Re: [Mesh] mail and web operational
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Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi!
So, maybe you should talk with people behind the freifunk.net site and
see what is their vision is? Probably they are just around the corner.
:-)
As I said, there could be two domain names pointing to the same page,
meshthepla.net having different theme and different (English) locale.
Mitar
https://github.com/freifunk/api.freifunk.net/blob/master/directory/director…
Mitar and all,
The idea with meshthepla.net is to create a campaign site that is
agnostic
toward any particular network. Freifunk.net by
and large points to
and
promotes itself, which is really all the argument
needed.
Also, I'm intending to use the site for documenting the workshop I'll
be
leading at the wireless summit, one output of
which is a global
community
asset map of free networks and a communications
framework for
continuing
the conversation. :)
I do like the Freifunk site a lot and am hoping I can grok more of it
after
spending a few weeks immersed in German!
On Sep 25, 2013 6:53 AM, "Mitar" <mitar(a)tnode.com> wrote:
> Hi!
>
>> As far as global directories, I don't see any reason for freifunk
to be
> the
>> only front end for all this open data - in part because "freifunk"
is a
>> much better name for german speakers than
for everyone else. As
long as
> we
>> are dealing with open data and open source, it shouldn't be a
problem
for
>> motivated folks to throw up their own
translated/localized version,
>> experiment with visualizations, etc. if they want to
>
> Yes. So providing your own interface to the same API is probably
> reasonable. But I got a feeling that Marc was arguing for doing some
> other API and another directory?
>
> Of course another idea could be that we just translate freifunk.net
> webpage, point meshtheplanet.net to that site and make so that when
it
> is visited through meshtheplanet.net, an
English version (with
whatever
> logo) appears. And if we want some additional
feature, we extend
current
> website with it and both freifunk.net and
meshtheplanet.net then
have
> it. This is open source as well. Don't
fork if not necessary. Have
you
> tried to contribute to freifunk.net? Was it
proven to be impossible?
> That they didn't accept your contributions with your translations
and
> visualizations? If not, why fork?
>
>
> Mitar
>
>>
>> --mark B.
>> On Sep 24, 2013 6:47 PM, "Mitar" <mitar(a)tnode.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>>> That site is completely freifunk-specific.
>>>
>>> Because it is starting from there.
>>>
>>> I am probably biased though. :-) But in the past they had already
a
nice
>>> planet (blog aggregator) and I know
few networks (including wlan
>>> slovenija) who were part of that. So I don't have a feeling it is
just
>>> freifunk specific.
>>>
>>>> Site appears to be in german only.
>>>
>>> Currently. This is called international diversity. :-)
>>>
>>>> No easy way to add your own community to the mesh (need to use an
>>>> api).
>>>
>>> Pull request against:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>>>
>>> What is easier?
>>>
>>>> No info on the different meshes except for a link.
>>>
>>> Have you checked the schema?
>>>
>>>
https://github.com/freifunk/api.freifunk.net/blob/master/specs/0.1.json
>>>
>>> And of course, schema can be worked on by communities.
>>>
>>>> This does not even seem to be an attempt at a global community
site.
>>>
>>> Interesting, I got a feeling that they are trying to be. They were
eager
>>> to translate into English the GitHub
README, once I told them that
this
>>> would help others. :-)
>>>
>>>> Yeah, but maybe forking hackerspaces.org would be better.
>>>
>>> As you want. I am just saying that some people are already working
on
>>> that and that it is really hard to
maintain such lists. I know
because I
>>> tried one:
>>>
>>> http://interop.wlan-si.net/
>>>
>>> There is then simply:
>>>
>>>
>
>>>
>>> Which was viewed by many as good enough.
>>>
>>> And now freifunk is trying to improve on situation. So making a
site
>>> which uses the same API and same
directory is probably reasonable.
But
>>> doing one new directory is probably
not. Because the question is
who
>>>> will maintain that directory.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mitar
>>>>
>>>> --
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> Charles,
Can you link to a guifi.net page that demonstrates this global map?
Something in English, preferably. I'd love to know more about this
project
and its roadmap.
On Sep 25, 2013 3:55 AM, <charles(a)thefnf.org> wrote:
I would browse the site and also talk to Roje/Pau at the summit. They know
the site far better than I.
Guifi.us is a 2.0 version of that site/concept and also more US centric.
--
Charles Wyble
(818) 280-7059 charles(a)knownelement.com
CTO Free Network Foundation (thefnf.org)
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:42:40 -0400
From: The Doctor <drwho(a)virtadpt.net>
To: mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org
Subject: Re: [Mesh] Open Garden white paper!
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On 09/24/2013 06:33 PM, Marc Juul wrote:
Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
>On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
>
>> I've set up a $6 a month VPS (vpscheap.net) and configured mail
for
>our
>> domains peoplesopen.net and sudoroom.org (and all variations).
>>
>
>I must have been pretty tired when I wrote this. I of course meant
>sudomesh.org
>
>I'm also not sure that this has been officially announced on the
>mailing
>list, but our final naming decisions are in.
>
>The network is:
>
> Peoples Open Network
> peoplesopen.net
>
>The SSID of the wifi/mesh is:
>
> peoplesopen.net
>
>The organization is:
>
> sudomesh.org
>
>and then we are thinking about using meshtheplanet.net (and
>meshthepla.net)
>as a campaign to get more people involved or a map of all community
>networks (like hackerspaces.org)
>
>We decided to change the decision from last week and not use the
name
>peopleswifi.org as the SSID so as not to have
two different names
for
> >the
> >network.
>
> Would you be willing to work with the Free Network Foundation and our
> guifi.us effort for the mapping?
>
> Also look at guifi.net (they are working closely with global mesh
> networks to map everything).
> --
> Charles Wyble
> (818) 280-7059 charles(a)knownelement.com
> CTO Free Network Foundation (thefnf.org)
>
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> I would also guess that bluetooth still consumes
significantly
less power than wifi even if wifi is set to lower power, but I
don't actually know.
http://www.diffen.com/difference/Bluetooth_vs_Wifi
tl;dr - Bluetooth uses less power, but has significantly less range.
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:43:07 -0700
From: rhodey <rhodey(a)anhonesteffort.org>
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Guifi.us looks great and is something I would support us at least trying.
On a general note I'm highly skeptical of any database built on top of
JSON. My hope is for an API to be built for this dataset such that
individual mesh networks are not forced into using this one size fits
all biz.
-- rhodey
On 09/25/2013 06:20 AM, charles(a)thefnf.org wrote:
Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
know the
site far better than I.
Charles,
Can you link to a guifi.net page that demonstrates this global map?
Something in English, preferably. I'd love to know more about this
project
and its roadmap.
On Sep 25, 2013 3:55 AM, <charles(a)thefnf.org> wrote:
I would browse the site and also talk to Roje/Pau at the summit. They Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
>
>> I've set up a $6 a month VPS (vpscheap.net) and configured mail
for
> our
>> domains peoplesopen.net and sudoroom.org (and all variations).
>>
>
> I must have been pretty tired when I wrote this. I of course meant
> sudomesh.org
>
> I'm also not sure that this has been officially announced on the
> mailing
> list, but our final naming decisions are in.
>
> The network is:
>
> Peoples Open Network
> peoplesopen.net
>
> The SSID of the wifi/mesh is:
>
> peoplesopen.net
>
> The organization is:
>
> sudomesh.org
>
> and then we are thinking about using meshtheplanet.net (and
> meshthepla.net)
> as a campaign to get more people involved or a map of all community
> networks (like hackerspaces.org)
>
> We decided to change the decision from last week and not use the
name
> peopleswifi.org as the SSID so as not to have
two different names
for
>> the
>> network.
>
> Would you be willing to work with the Free Network Foundation and our
> guifi.us effort for the mapping?
>
> Also look at guifi.net (they are working closely with global mesh
> networks to map everything).
> --
> Charles Wyble
> (818) 280-7059 charles(a)knownelement.com
> CTO Free Network Foundation (thefnf.org)
>
> _______________________________________________
> mesh mailing list
> mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org
> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/mesh
>
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