20 Apr
2017
20 Apr
'17
12:28 a.m.
i think it's perfect with the numbers, and I DON'T think it should be
obfuscated with dictionary words or emojis or something.
in fact i think the entire router IP address should be in there!
people need to learn more about networking, it's not that hard, and this is a
perfect opportunity for that. it's really important that people start to see
IP addresses, especially if we want people to put up web services on the mesh
itself! it's really exciting.
peoplesopen.net 10.64.2.1
peoplesopen.net 5GHz 10.64.2.1
-jake
PS i was an early whiner about the same-SSID roaming problems :)
We finally have unique SSIDs for the nodes.
Instead of them all being named "peoplesopen.net" they will now have the
last three parts of the IPv4 address added to the name. E.g. for a home
node with the IP 100.64.2.1 the SSIDs will be:
2.4 Ghz: "peoplesopen.net 64.2.1"
5 GHZ: "peoplesopen.net fast 64.2.1"
An extender node with the IP 100.64.2.2 will have the SSID "peoplesopen.net
64.2.2" even if it is a 5 GHz node. Extender nodes always only have one
radio, so this is fine.
This only applies to home nodes configured after this change and extender
nodes flashed with the latest (not yet downloadable) build.
I moved builds.sudomesh.org to be hosted on the VPS running the
peoplesopen.net website and will grant Grant access as soon as I have his
SSH key so he can upload the latest builds.
We should later upgrade this to map the scary numbers to either nice simple
english language words (or why limit to english? give an option of spanish)
or emojis.
For those of you who are not read up on this issue, the nodes need to have
unique SSIDs because they we do not have layer 3 roaming working, so when a
client device is connected to a node's "peoplesopen.net" wifi network and
auto-roams to a different node's wifi network also called
"peoplesopen.net"
then it will suddenly be on a new subnet but it will not ask for a new DHCP
lease, since clients assume that multiple access points with the same name
are on the same layer 2 networs / subnet. The result is that people who are
sitting approximately between two mesh nodes will have their internet
intermittently stop working for minutes at a time.
--
marc/juul
20 Apr
20 Apr
12:42 a.m.
New subject: Unique SSIDs
Hi!
I would suggest you rename "peoplesopen.net" to "peoplesopen.net
slow"
and "peoplesopen.net 5GHz" to "peoplesopen.net". Then those people
who
can see both 5 Ghz and 2.4 GHz will choose a non-slow one, and those who
can see only slow will select that one.
5 GHz and 2.4 GHz does not really have much semantic meaning to most people.
Mitar
i think it's perfect with the numbers, and I
DON'T think it should be
obfuscated with dictionary words or emojis or something.
in fact i think the entire router IP address should be in there!
people need to learn more about networking, it's not that hard, and this
is a
perfect opportunity for that. it's really important that people start
to see
IP addresses, especially if we want people to put up web services on the
mesh
itself! it's really exciting.
peoplesopen.net 10.64.2.1
peoplesopen.net 5GHz 10.64.2.1
-jake
PS i was an early whiner about the same-SSID roaming problems :)
--
http://mitar.tnode.com/
https://twitter.com/mitar_m
We finally have unique SSIDs for the nodes.
Instead of them all being named "peoplesopen.net" they will now have the
last three parts of the IPv4 address added to the name. E.g. for a home
node with the IP 100.64.2.1 the SSIDs will be:
2.4 Ghz: "peoplesopen.net 64.2.1"
5 GHZ: "peoplesopen.net fast 64.2.1"
An extender node with the IP 100.64.2.2 will have the SSID
"peoplesopen.net
64.2.2" even if it is a 5 GHz node. Extender nodes always only have one
radio, so this is fine.
This only applies to home nodes configured after this change and extender
nodes flashed with the latest (not yet downloadable) build.
I moved builds.sudomesh.org to be hosted on the VPS running the
peoplesopen.net website and will grant Grant access as soon as I have his
SSH key so he can upload the latest builds.
We should later upgrade this to map the scary numbers to either nice
simple
english language words (or why limit to english? give an option of
spanish)
or emojis.
For those of you who are not read up on this issue, the nodes need to
have
unique SSIDs because they we do not have layer 3 roaming working, so
when a
client device is connected to a node's "peoplesopen.net" wifi network and
auto-roams to a different node's wifi network also called
"peoplesopen.net"
then it will suddenly be on a new subnet but it will not ask for a new
DHCP
lease, since clients assume that multiple access points with the same
name
are on the same layer 2 networs / subnet. The result is that people
who are
sitting approximately between two mesh nodes will have their internet
intermittently stop working for minutes at a time.
--
marc/juul
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1:29 a.m.
New subject: Unique SSIDs
On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 12:28 AM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
i think it's perfect with the numbers, and I
DON'T think it should be
obfuscated with dictionary words or emojis or something.
in fact i think the entire router IP address should be in there!
people need to learn more about networking, it's not that hard, and this
is a
perfect opportunity for that. it's really important that people start to
see
IP addresses, especially if we want people to put up web services on the
mesh
itself! it's really exciting.
peoplesopen.net 10.64.2.1
peoplesopen.net 5GHz 10.64.2.1
I like the emojis. We're thinking of letting the person configuring the
node decide if they want numbers, words or emojis. It's 100.xxx.yyy.zzz so
unfortunately we can't fit an entire IP and a 2.4 GHz / 5 GHz
differentiator and spaces between the "peoplesopen.net" and differentiator
and IP. Not even if the differentiator is a single character. but since all
nodes have IPs starting with 100. it shouldn't be a problem. Another reason
to avoid the IPs in the SSID is that we whould work torwards making the
IPv6 addresses the primary way for people to reach nodes since we'll
actually be able to get internet routable IPv6 addresses.
-jake
PS i was an early whiner about the same-SSID roaming problems :)
We finally have unique SSIDs for the nodes.
Instead of them all being named "peoplesopen.net" they will now have the
last three parts of the IPv4 address added to the name. E.g. for a home
node with the IP 100.64.2.1 the SSIDs will be:
2.4 Ghz: "peoplesopen.net 64.2.1"
5 GHZ: "peoplesopen.net fast 64.2.1"
An extender node with the IP 100.64.2.2 will have the SSID "
peoplesopen.net
64.2.2" even if it is a 5 GHz node. Extender nodes always only have one
radio, so this is fine.
This only applies to home nodes configured after this change and extender
nodes flashed with the latest (not yet downloadable) build.
I moved builds.sudomesh.org to be hosted on the VPS running the
peoplesopen.net website and will grant Grant access as soon as I have his
SSH key so he can upload the latest builds.
We should later upgrade this to map the scary numbers to either nice
simple
english language words (or why limit to english? give an option of
spanish)
or emojis.
For those of you who are not read up on this issue, the nodes need to have
unique SSIDs because they we do not have layer 3 roaming working, so when
a
client device is connected to a node's "peoplesopen.net" wifi network and
auto-roams to a different node's wifi network also called "
peoplesopen.net"
then it will suddenly be on a new subnet but it will not ask for a new
DHCP
lease, since clients assume that multiple access points with the same name
are on the same layer 2 networs / subnet. The result is that people who
are
sitting approximately between two mesh nodes will have their internet
intermittently stop working for minutes at a time.
--
marc/juul
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22 Apr
22 Apr
12:15 p.m.
New subject: Unique SSIDs
I like the emoji idea, it could be a cool and unique identifier that would
help popularize peoplesopen if people started seeing it. And I agree with
the IPv6 concerns. Makenode needs some serious improvements, one of which
could giving people an option on which naming format they want for their
peoplesopen SSID.
If I can make a case against Jake's point, asking people to understand IPs
seems similar to needing to know someones phone number, it was useful until
someone invented a better way of organizing information. And yes, it can be
helpful to know that the first three digits of a phone number is the area
code, the same way knowing what the subnet of an IP is is helpful in
locating a client within a network. But would subnets really mean anything
until we get to the point of having distinctly different geographic regions
for the mesh (or would we even want to organize/identify a nodes geographic
region by subnet?). And again there's the IPv6 issue, we will insist people
understand super-scary IPv6, which has prerequisites of understanding
hexadecimal, subnetting, and whole lot of shorthand rules? Not saying
people are incapable of understanding any of these concept, we just have
think about what people actually want or have time to understand ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
people understand emojis ⚗️ sometimes
Regardless, choice is the best option, and I think a lot of people would
choose emojis. Hell, I love my IP addresses, but I would still choose
emojis.
-grant
On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 1:29 AM, Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 12:28 AM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
i think it's perfect with the numbers, and I
DON'T think it should be
obfuscated with dictionary words or emojis or something.
in fact i think the entire router IP address should be in there!
people need to learn more about networking, it's not that hard, and this
is a
perfect opportunity for that. it's really important that people start to
see
IP addresses, especially if we want people to put up web services on the
mesh
itself! it's really exciting.
peoplesopen.net 10.64.2.1
peoplesopen.net 5GHz 10.64.2.1
I like the emojis. We're thinking of letting the person configuring the
node decide if they want numbers, words or emojis. It's 100.xxx.yyy.zzz so
unfortunately we can't fit an entire IP and a 2.4 GHz / 5 GHz
differentiator and spaces between the "peoplesopen.net" and
differentiator and IP. Not even if the differentiator is a single
character. but since all nodes have IPs starting with 100. it shouldn't be
a problem. Another reason to avoid the IPs in the SSID is that we whould
work torwards making the IPv6 addresses the primary way for people to reach
nodes since we'll actually be able to get internet routable IPv6 addresses.
-jake
PS i was an early whiner about the same-SSID roaming problems :)
We finally have unique SSIDs for the nodes.
_______________________________________________
mesh mailing list
mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org
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Instead of them all being named "peoplesopen.net" they will now have the
last three parts of the IPv4 address added to the name. E.g. for a home
node with the IP 100.64.2.1 the SSIDs will be:
2.4 Ghz: "peoplesopen.net 64.2.1"
5 GHZ: "peoplesopen.net fast 64.2.1"
An extender node with the IP 100.64.2.2 will have the SSID "
peoplesopen.net
64.2.2" even if it is a 5 GHz node. Extender nodes always only have one
radio, so this is fine.
This only applies to home nodes configured after this change and extender
nodes flashed with the latest (not yet downloadable) build.
I moved builds.sudomesh.org to be hosted on the VPS running the
peoplesopen.net website and will grant Grant access as soon as I have
his
SSH key so he can upload the latest builds.
We should later upgrade this to map the scary numbers to either nice
simple
english language words (or why limit to english? give an option of
spanish)
or emojis.
For those of you who are not read up on this issue, the nodes need to
have
unique SSIDs because they we do not have layer 3 roaming working, so
when a
client device is connected to a node's "peoplesopen.net" wifi network
and
auto-roams to a different node's wifi network also called "
peoplesopen.net"
then it will suddenly be on a new subnet but it will not ask for a new
DHCP
lease, since clients assume that multiple access points with the same
name
are on the same layer 2 networs / subnet. The result is that people who
are
sitting approximately between two mesh nodes will have their internet
intermittently stop working for minutes at a time.
--
marc/juul
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