10 Aug
2017
10 Aug
'17
8:41 p.m.
Hello everyone,
Again, thank you for your interest in the GardenMesh project, keep checking
for our new landing page which should be in the next few days at "
www.peoplesopen.net/gardenmesh"quot;.
For those of you unfamiliar with the project, Counter Culture Labs and
Sudoroom have teamed up to create a super low cost environmental sensor
that meshes automatically over a self-generated Wi-Fi network. We are
working to build software that makes gathering real-time data elementary
for any user at an accessible price.
We are ready with 5 new prototypes ready for installation into our first
test environments, and East Bay Vivarium (1827 Fifth Street c, Berkeley, CA
94710) has graciously agreed to allow us to use some of their enclosures
as our first environmental test sites!
*PLEASE NOTE* : Due to a schedule change, we need to install the units
Saturday August 12th, NOT Friday August 11.
We will be meeting at EBV at noon (12p) Saturday August 12th. We will be
taking a look at the units and exploring the store, and begin installation
under EBV supervision starting around 1pm.
Afterwards, I will be hosting a discussion and meet-and-greet for anyone
who is curious about the project at Doc's Refresher (984 University Ave,
Berkeley, CA 94710). I hope to see you there!
If you have any questions or are having trouble finding the group after you
arrive you can contact me, Mario, at (323)-314-0783.
Keep on meshing on!
-Mario
On Aug 10, 2017 15:31, "G Gallo" <ggallo102(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello gardenmeshers,
Sierk and I have been hard at work preparing various parts of the project
for the Nat Geo grant and the East Bay Vivarium prototype roll out. A few
updates from my end:
1. We have ~6 working prototypes (aka Garden Gnodes) thanks to the
prototyping party last Sunday
2. We now have a way of remotely updating the scripts running on the Garden
Gnodes via telnet (if interested check out this script
<https://github.com/sudomesh/gardenmesh/blob/master/remoteupload.sh>)
3. With the help of Jake (from sudoroom), we also now have a few Garden
Gnodes being **safely** powered by Li-Po batteries.
4. I recently procured some analog multiplexers so we should be able to
test the light sensors soon.
5. The roll out at the East Bay Vivarium is planned for tomorrow at 9:30am,
this should be as simple as setting up one of our peoplesopen.net routers,
connecting it to their internet, and then plugging in the Garden Gnodes in
their respective tanks.
I plan at being at the Omni most of this evening preparing at least five of
the prototypes to be deployed at the Vivarium. This will involve flashing
the NodeMCU firmware, uploading the gardenmesh Lua script, and checking
that the remote update feature works correctly. If any one is interested in
learning about the hardware/firmware side of the project feel free to stop
by the Omni tonight (it's also weekly JavaScript night!).
I know there were a few people that came by this week interested in the
project, but I do not have their emails. Mario, if you want to add them to
this thread that would be great.
-grant
On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:04 AM, Bullitt Bourbon <bb(a)elleko.net> wrote:
hi-
l read this and also the e-mail you wrote to Divine, very nice work there.
Some comments/ questions:
1. Some of the monologues are kind of infomercially. An example is cell 2:
'studies show that... the popularity of home gardening has increased
substantially'. that's not really stuff one would say IRL. Maybe it's meant
to suggest an ad-lib for similar content, just wanted to point it out,
though. l can help with all that.
2. cell 2 - Definitely not an expert here, but often gardens have better
performing and worse performing crops, right?
The images can match what is being narrated, from a poorly producing
section when u talk about factory farming to a thriving section when u say
'what if we can grow more food...'
3. cell 3 - is this stock footage?
4. cell 5 - this is a good opportunity to show the actual device off. it
can just pretend to be working. we can make a fake data screen and show it
working on a phone. we can have infographics showing how it works as well,
but since these things exist on the market, people already know about all
that.
-BB
On 2017-08-07 19:44, Mario Gabiati wrote:
Hey I found this cool PDF report on home
gardening in america, it's up
something like 20% in the last 5 years and it seems to be very popular
with young people. Maybe we can rip some infographics out for the
video? Take a look and tell me what you think! Thanks!
-MARIO
https://garden.org/special/pdf/2014-NGA-Garden-to-Table.pdf [4]
On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 1:16 AM, Mario Gabiati <mgabiati(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
1. Nat Geo Grant Video (please watch and comment)
--
-Bullitt Bourbon
2. Prototype party August 6th 4pm-8pm
3. Invitation to field test at East Bay Vivarium
4. Gardenmesh meetings every Tuesday 8p
_____________________Hello everyone,
First off, I'd like to thank all of you for your continued efforts
on this project. We have some exciting developments I'm excited to
update you on:
With major help from Adam, I've put together a crack at the 1-minute
submission for the National Geographic 'Chasing Genius' grant
(www.natgeochasinggenius.com [1]) due July 30th. I've chosen to
submit under the 'Feeding 9 Billion' focus. WATCH THE VIDEO HERE:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1fJuy09hh37SlkyakdlVVgxdjQ
/view?usp=sharing_eip&ts=59783ef0
[2]
We only have a few more days to make edits before I have to submit
so I am interested in hearing any suggestions you have! Not looking
for perfection, just want to get the point across.
Next, if you'd like to participate in BUILDING PROTOTYPES, we will
be hosting a prototype building party AUGUST 6TH 4-8PM at the
sudoroom hack space at the Omni Commons (4799 Shattuck Ave, Oakland,
CA 94609). No need to be an expert, we are all learning together
here. Thank you Grant for taking on the lions share of the soldering
and coding for this project, we couldn't do it without you!
If you are interested in getting more technical information on the
project, please visit our GITHUB WIKI
(https://github.com/sudomesh/gardenmesh/wiki [3]) - thank you Grant,
Jorrit, and Scott!
More good news: Sean Parnell from East Bay Vivarium has graciously
offered to let us test our first round of prototypes in their Wi-Fi
connected store. We will be able to test the units without solar
panels or batteries, or much housing so that we can hammer out the
software side of things and make upgrades for the exterior units
that we will be testing at Annie's Annuals in the fall (thank you
Cassandra!).
Lastly, if you are interested in getting more involved in the
project, we have gardenmesh meetings every Tuesday evening at 8pm at
the Omni Commons (4799 Shattuck Ave, Oakland, CA 94609).
Thank you!
-Mario Gabiati
GardenMesh Project Coordinator
Links:
------
[1] http://www.natgeochasinggenius.com
[2]
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1fJuy09hh37SlkyakdlVVgxdjQ
/view?usp=sharing_eip&ts=59783ef0
[3] https://github.com/sudomesh/gardenmesh/wiki
[4] https://garden.org/special/pdf/2014-NGA-Garden-to-Table.pdf
11 Aug
11 Aug
7:44 a.m.
How do these devices compare to the dozens of wireless garden sensors
already available (https://www.postscapes.com/wireless-plant-sensors/)? The
one distinction that I recall being mentioned at a sudomesh meeting was
price, but once you factor in power, weatherproofing, and everything else,
I suspect this price difference will evaporate. In such a crowded field of
devices already being manufactured, is anyone else trying to be the low
priced option?
On Thursday, August 10, 2017, Mario Gabiati <mgabiati(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone,
Again, thank you for your interest in the GardenMesh project, keep
checking for our new landing page which should be in the next few days at "
www.peoplesopen.net/gardenmesh"quot;.
For those of you unfamiliar with the project, Counter Culture Labs and
Sudoroom have teamed up to create a super low cost environmental sensor
that meshes automatically over a self-generated Wi-Fi network. We are
working to build software that makes gathering real-time data elementary
for any user at an accessible price.
We are ready with 5 new prototypes ready for installation into our first
test environments, and East Bay Vivarium (1827 Fifth Street c, Berkeley, CA
94710) has graciously agreed to allow us to use some of their enclosures
as our first environmental test sites!
*PLEASE NOTE* : Due to a schedule change, we need to install the units
Saturday August 12th, NOT Friday August 11.
We will be meeting at EBV at noon (12p) Saturday August 12th. We will be
taking a look at the units and exploring the store, and begin installation
under EBV supervision starting around 1pm.
Afterwards, I will be hosting a discussion and meet-and-greet for anyone
who is curious about the project at Doc's Refresher (984 University Ave,
Berkeley, CA 94710). I hope to see you there!
If you have any questions or are having trouble finding the group after
you arrive you can contact me, Mario, at (323)-314-0783.
Keep on meshing on!
-Mario
On Aug 10, 2017 15:31, "G Gallo" <ggallo102(a)gmail.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ggallo102@gmail.com');>> wrote:
Hello gardenmeshers,
Sierk and I have been hard at work preparing various parts of the project
for the Nat Geo grant and the East Bay Vivarium prototype roll out. A few
updates from my end:
1. We have ~6 working prototypes (aka Garden Gnodes) thanks to the
prototyping party last Sunday
2. We now have a way of remotely updating the scripts running on the
Garden Gnodes via telnet (if interested check out this script
<https://github.com/sudomesh/gardenmesh/blob/master/remoteupload.sh>)
3. With the help of Jake (from sudoroom), we also now have a few Garden
Gnodes being **safely** powered by Li-Po batteries.
4. I recently procured some analog multiplexers so we should be able to
test the light sensors soon.
5. The roll out at the East Bay Vivarium is planned for tomorrow at
9:30am, this should be as simple as setting up one of our peoplesopen.net
routers, connecting it to their internet, and then plugging in the Garden
Gnodes in their respective tanks.
I plan at being at the Omni most of this evening preparing at least five
of the prototypes to be deployed at the Vivarium. This will involve
flashing the NodeMCU firmware, uploading the gardenmesh Lua script, and
checking that the remote update feature works correctly. If any one is
interested in learning about the hardware/firmware side of the project feel
free to stop by the Omni tonight (it's also weekly JavaScript night!).
I know there were a few people that came by this week interested in the
project, but I do not have their emails. Mario, if you want to add them to
this thread that would be great.
-grant
On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:04 AM, Bullitt Bourbon <bb(a)elleko.net
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bb@elleko.net');>> wrote:
hi-
l read this and also the e-mail you wrote to Divine, very nice work
there. Some comments/ questions:
1. Some of the monologues are kind of infomercially. An example is cell
2: 'studies show that... the popularity of home gardening has increased
substantially'. that's not really stuff one would say IRL. Maybe it's meant
to suggest an ad-lib for similar content, just wanted to point it out,
though. l can help with all that.
2. cell 2 - Definitely not an expert here, but often gardens have better
performing and worse performing crops, right?
The images can match what is being narrated, from a poorly producing
section when u talk about factory farming to a thriving section when u say
'what if we can grow more food...'
3. cell 3 - is this stock footage?
4. cell 5 - this is a good opportunity to show the actual device off. it
can just pretend to be working. we can make a fake data screen and show it
working on a phone. we can have infographics showing how it works as well,
but since these things exist on the market, people already know about all
that.
-BB
On 2017-08-07 19:44, Mario Gabiati wrote:
Hey I found this cool PDF report on home
gardening in america, it's up
something like 20% in the last 5 years and it seems to be very popular
with young people. Maybe we can rip some infographics out for the
video? Take a look and tell me what you think! Thanks!
-MARIO
https://garden.org/special/pdf/2014-NGA-Garden-to-Table.pdf [4]
On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 1:16 AM, Mario Gabiati <mgabiati(a)gmail.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mgabiati@gmail.com');>>
wrote:
1. Nat Geo Grant Video (please watch and comment)
--
-Bullitt Bourbon
2. Prototype party August 6th 4pm-8pm
3. Invitation to field test at East Bay Vivarium
4. Gardenmesh meetings every Tuesday 8p
_____________________Hello everyone,
First off, I'd like to thank all of you for your continued efforts
on this project. We have some exciting developments I'm excited to
update you on:
With major help from Adam, I've put together a crack at the 1-minute
submission for the National Geographic 'Chasing Genius' grant
(www.natgeochasinggenius.com [1]) due July 30th. I've chosen to
submit under the 'Feeding 9 Billion' focus. WATCH THE VIDEO HERE:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1fJuy09hh37SlkyakdlVVgxdjQ
/view?usp=sharing_eip&ts=59783ef0
[2]
We only have a few more days to make edits before I have to submit
so I am interested in hearing any suggestions you have! Not looking
for perfection, just want to get the point across.
Next, if you'd like to participate in BUILDING PROTOTYPES, we will
be hosting a prototype building party AUGUST 6TH 4-8PM at the
sudoroom hack space at the Omni Commons (4799 Shattuck Ave, Oakland,
CA 94609). No need to be an expert, we are all learning together
here. Thank you Grant for taking on the lions share of the soldering
and coding for this project, we couldn't do it without you!
If you are interested in getting more technical information on the
project, please visit our GITHUB WIKI
(https://github.com/sudomesh/gardenmesh/wiki [3]) - thank you Grant,
Jorrit, and Scott!
More good news: Sean Parnell from East Bay Vivarium has graciously
offered to let us test our first round of prototypes in their Wi-Fi
connected store. We will be able to test the units without solar
panels or batteries, or much housing so that we can hammer out the
software side of things and make upgrades for the exterior units
that we will be testing at Annie's Annuals in the fall (thank you
Cassandra!).
Lastly, if you are interested in getting more involved in the
project, we have gardenmesh meetings every Tuesday evening at 8pm at
the Omni Commons (4799 Shattuck Ave, Oakland, CA 94609).
Thank you!
-Mario Gabiati
GardenMesh Project Coordinator
Links:
------
[1] http://www.natgeochasinggenius.com
[2]
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1fJuy09hh37SlkyakdlVVgxdjQ
/view?usp=sharing_eip&ts=59783ef0
[3] https://github.com/sudomesh/gardenmesh/wiki
[4] https://garden.org/special/pdf/2014-NGA-Garden-to-Table.pdf
10:45 a.m.
Jehan, you're mostly correct. But I haven't seen an option much less than
$60. Even after powering and weatherproofing the actual cost of these
devices should be much less than $60. Also part of the "value proposition"
so to speak, is the potential meshing in which the garden gnodes would
create a distributed network to store their collective data that could then
be served to any client who may stumble upon the mesh. Garden mesh is not
about internet-connected plants, it's about building an internet of plants
(IoP). There have been a couple different models thrown around for
"monetizing" the garden mesh. Some have suggested a TOMS shoes model. Also
I believe Joorit at one point suggested an educational model in which we do
not sell them online just to anyone, but only people in our community who
come to the Omni and learn to build one themselves (or something along
those lines).
On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Jehan Tremback <jehan.tremback(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
How do these devices compare to the dozens of wireless
garden sensors
already available (https://www.postscapes.com/wireless-plant-sensors/)? The
one distinction that I recall being mentioned at a sudomesh meeting was
price, but once you factor in power, weatherproofing, and everything else,
I suspect this price difference will evaporate. In such a crowded field of
devices already being manufactured, is anyone else trying to be the low
priced option?
On Thursday, August 10, 2017, Mario Gabiati <mgabiati(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> Again, thank you for your interest in the GardenMesh project, keep
> checking for our new landing page which should be in the next few days at "
> www.peoplesopen.net/gardenmesh"quot;.
>
> For those of you unfamiliar with the project, Counter Culture Labs and
> Sudoroom have teamed up to create a super low cost environmental sensor
> that meshes automatically over a self-generated Wi-Fi network. We are
> working to build software that makes gathering real-time data elementary
> for any user at an accessible price.
>
> We are ready with 5 new prototypes ready for installation into our first
> test environments, and East Bay Vivarium (1827 Fifth Street c, Berkeley, CA
> 94710) has graciously agreed to allow us to use some of their enclosures
> as our first environmental test sites!
>
> *PLEASE NOTE* : Due to a schedule change, we need to install the units
> Saturday August 12th, NOT Friday August 11.
>
> We will be meeting at EBV at noon (12p) Saturday August 12th. We will be
> taking a look at the units and exploring the store, and begin installation
> under EBV supervision starting around 1pm.
>
> Afterwards, I will be hosting a discussion and meet-and-greet for anyone
> who is curious about the project at Doc's Refresher (984 University Ave,
> Berkeley, CA 94710). I hope to see you there!
>
> If you have any questions or are having trouble finding the group after
> you arrive you can contact me, Mario, at (323)-314-0783
> <(323)%20314-0783>.
>
> Keep on meshing on!
>
> -Mario
>
> On Aug 10, 2017 15:31, "G Gallo" <ggallo102(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello gardenmeshers,
>
> Sierk and I have been hard at work preparing various parts of the project
> for the Nat Geo grant and the East Bay Vivarium prototype roll out. A few
> updates from my end:
>
> 1. We have ~6 working prototypes (aka Garden Gnodes) thanks to the
> prototyping party last Sunday
> 2. We now have a way of remotely updating the scripts running on the
> Garden Gnodes via telnet (if interested check out this script
> <https://github.com/sudomesh/gardenmesh/blob/master/remoteupload.sh>)
> 3. With the help of Jake (from sudoroom), we also now have a few Garden
> Gnodes being **safely** powered by Li-Po batteries.
> 4. I recently procured some analog multiplexers so we should be able to
> test the light sensors soon.
> 5. The roll out at the East Bay Vivarium is planned for tomorrow at
> 9:30am, this should be as simple as setting up one of our peoplesopen.net
> routers, connecting it to their internet, and then plugging in the Garden
> Gnodes in their respective tanks.
>
> I plan at being at the Omni most of this evening preparing at least five
> of the prototypes to be deployed at the Vivarium. This will involve
> flashing the NodeMCU firmware, uploading the gardenmesh Lua script, and
> checking that the remote update feature works correctly. If any one is
> interested in learning about the hardware/firmware side of the project feel
> free to stop by the Omni tonight (it's also weekly JavaScript night!).
>
> I know there were a few people that came by this week interested in the
> project, but I do not have their emails. Mario, if you want to add them to
> this thread that would be great.
>
> -grant
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:04 AM, Bullitt Bourbon <bb(a)elleko.net> wrote:
>
>> hi-
>>
>> l read this and also the e-mail you wrote to Divine, very nice work
>> there. Some comments/ questions:
>>
>> 1. Some of the monologues are kind of infomercially. An example is cell
>> 2: 'studies show that... the popularity of home gardening has increased
>> substantially'. that's not really stuff one would say IRL. Maybe it's
meant
>> to suggest an ad-lib for similar content, just wanted to point it out,
>> though. l can help with all that.
>>
>> 2. cell 2 - Definitely not an expert here, but often gardens have better
>> performing and worse performing crops, right?
>> The images can match what is being narrated, from a poorly producing
>> section when u talk about factory farming to a thriving section when u say
>> 'what if we can grow more food...'
>>
>> 3. cell 3 - is this stock footage?
>>
>> 4. cell 5 - this is a good opportunity to show the actual device off. it
>> can just pretend to be working. we can make a fake data screen and show it
>> working on a phone. we can have infographics showing how it works as well,
>> but since these things exist on the market, people already know about all
>> that.
>>
>> -BB
>>
>>
>> On 2017-08-07 19:44, Mario Gabiati wrote:
>>
>>> Hey I found this cool PDF report on home gardening in america, it's up
>>> something like 20% in the last 5 years and it seems to be very popular
>>> with young people. Maybe we can rip some infographics out for the
>>> video? Take a look and tell me what you think! Thanks!
>>>
>>> -MARIO
>>>
>>> https://garden.org/special/pdf/2014-NGA-Garden-to-Table.pdf [4]
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 1:16 AM, Mario Gabiati <mgabiati(a)gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 1. Nat Geo Grant Video (please watch and comment)
>>>> 2. Prototype party August 6th 4pm-8pm
>>>> 3. Invitation to field test at East Bay Vivarium
>>>> 4. Gardenmesh meetings every Tuesday 8p
>>>> _____________________Hello everyone,
>>>>
>>>> First off, I'd like to thank all of you for your continued efforts
>>>> on this project. We have some exciting developments I'm excited to
>>>> update you on:
>>>>
>>>> With major help from Adam, I've put together a crack at the 1-minute
>>>> submission for the National Geographic 'Chasing Genius' grant
>>>> (www.natgeochasinggenius.com [1]) due July 30th. I've chosen to
>>>> submit under the 'Feeding 9 Billion' focus. WATCH THE VIDEO
HERE:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1fJuy09hh37SlkyakdlVVgxdjQ
>>> /view?usp=sharing_eip&ts=59783ef0
>>>
>>>> [2]
>>>>
>>>> We only have a few more days to make edits before I have to submit
>>>> so I am interested in hearing any suggestions you have! Not looking
>>>> for perfection, just want to get the point across.
>>>>
>>>> Next, if you'd like to participate in BUILDING PROTOTYPES, we will
>>>> be hosting a prototype building party AUGUST 6TH 4-8PM at the
>>>> sudoroom hack space at the Omni Commons (4799 Shattuck Ave, Oakland,
>>>> CA 94609). No need to be an expert, we are all learning together
>>>> here. Thank you Grant for taking on the lions share of the soldering
>>>> and coding for this project, we couldn't do it without you!
>>>>
>>>> If you are interested in getting more technical information on the
>>>> project, please visit our GITHUB WIKI
>>>> (https://github.com/sudomesh/gardenmesh/wiki [3]) - thank you Grant,
>>>> Jorrit, and Scott!
>>>>
>>>> More good news: Sean Parnell from East Bay Vivarium has graciously
>>>> offered to let us test our first round of prototypes in their Wi-Fi
>>>> connected store. We will be able to test the units without solar
>>>> panels or batteries, or much housing so that we can hammer out the
>>>> software side of things and make upgrades for the exterior units
>>>> that we will be testing at Annie's Annuals in the fall (thank you
>>>> Cassandra!).
>>>>
>>>> Lastly, if you are interested in getting more involved in the
>>>> project, we have gardenmesh meetings every Tuesday evening at 8pm at
>>>> the Omni Commons (4799 Shattuck Ave, Oakland, CA 94609).
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> -Mario Gabiati
>>>> GardenMesh Project Coordinator
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Links:
>>> ------
>>> [1] http://www.natgeochasinggenius.com
>>> [2]
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1fJuy09hh37SlkyakdlVVgxdjQ
>>> /view?usp=sharing_eip&ts=59783ef0
>>> [3] https://github.com/sudomesh/gardenmesh/wiki
>>> [4] https://garden.org/special/pdf/2014-NGA-Garden-to-Table.pdf
>>>
>>
>> --
>> -Bullitt Bourbon
>>
>
>
>
1:34 p.m.
1.
from an end user's perspective, they approach a situation looking for a
client that does something, in this case, the gardening data service.
Might be obvious to state, but when ppl think of Instagram they're not
thinking about the servers or even the photos, they're thinking l tap
this icon and this thing pops up that can do this & that. Make sense?
The idea of serving to *any client is exciting, but if l was just
hearing about this, l'd ask: where is the website?/ What's this app
called?
This is why consumer weather stations partner with
weatherunderground.com.
l see the value in Garden Mesh as a service on community wireless
networks, something like Rhizomatica (http://rhizomatica.org), the theme
of the contest is feeding X million (humans). the existing video only
has a passing mention of this idea. For us in this geographical area, we
have Sudo Mesh/ Peoplesopen Network. l explained in another email
earlier that did not go to the larger mailing lists that in rural
Mexico, there is no municipal, Rhizomatica is all people have. Here in
the bay ppl have many options, but we have users committed to meshing
(on Peoplesopen Network) for specific reasons.
2.
l'm for **teaching a man to fish**, not for making a finished product.
At a PON meeting, we had a discussion about 'hackathons' being
exploitative of labor, but self exploitation for free R&D/ labor is ok?
It hurts OTHERS as well, promoting a culture of working yourself to
death. That's not OK with me. If people are willing to live with
experimental stuff, they can go get the components and figure it out for
themselves just like our project did here.
correct me if l'm wrong: what l hear Grant saying is that the units will
remain cheaper than existing
consumer products because there's no 'mark up'. the user only pays money
for the components and production costs.
Implicit is that the R&D, labor, warehousing are donated; those are the
costlier aspects of a project IMO.
Also, Per the vegan slave shoes buy 1 get 1 model, l'm assuming that
we're talking about a finished product/ kit of stuff rather than
distributing code/ telling people how to make good, solid housing, etc..
if we want to talk about market mechanisms for finished products, once a
lower cost product *that is not of inferior quality* enters the market,
it drives competitors to either price more competitively and/ or present
attributes to justify/ force a higher price point for themselves.
3.
At the previous Tuesday meeting, l spoke to Mario briefly, and it seemed
that he did not have a firm grasp of how Peoplesopen Network/ Sudo Mesh
is related to Garden Mesh beyond human resources. There is no front end
client yet, as l understand it, but Garden Mesh is a service that runs
on the Peoplesopen Network or can be applied to other wireless networks/
meshes.
On 2017-08-11 10:45, G Gallo wrote:
Jehan, you're mostly correct. But I haven't
seen an option much less
than $60. Even after powering and weatherproofing the actual cost of
these devices should be much less than $60. Also part of the "value
proposition" so to speak, is the potential meshing in which the garden
gnodes would create a distributed network to store their collective
data that could then be served to any client who may stumble upon the
mesh. Garden mesh is not about internet-connected plants, it's about
building an internet of plants (IoP). There have been a couple
different models thrown around for "monetizing" the garden mesh. Some
have suggested a TOMS shoes model. Also I believe Joorit at one point
suggested an educational model in which we do not sell them online
just to anyone, but only people in our community who come to the Omni
and learn to build one themselves (or something along those lines).
On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Jehan Tremback
<jehan.tremback(a)gmail.com> wrote:
How do these devices compare to the dozens of
wireless garden
sensors already available
(https://www.postscapes.com/wireless-plant-sensors/ [1])? The one
distinction that I recall being mentioned at a sudomesh meeting was
price, but once you factor in power, weatherproofing, and everything
else, I suspect this price difference will evaporate. In such a
crowded field of devices already being manufactured, is anyone else
trying to be the low priced option?
On Thursday, August 10, 2017, Mario Gabiati <mgabiati(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hello everyone,
Again, thank you for your interest in the GardenMesh project, keep
checking for our new landing page which should be in the next few
days at "www.peoplesopen.net/gardenmesh [2]".
For those of you unfamiliar with the project, Counter Culture Labs
and Sudoroom have teamed up to create a super low cost environmental
sensor that meshes automatically over a self-generated Wi-Fi
network. We are working to build software that makes gathering
real-time data elementary for any user at an accessible price.
We are ready with 5 new prototypes ready for installation into our
first test environments, and East Bay Vivarium (1827 Fifth Street c,
Berkeley, CA 94710) has graciously agreed to allow us to use some
of their enclosures as our first environmental test sites!
PLEASE NOTE : Due to a schedule change, we need to install the units
Saturday August 12th, NOT Friday August 11.
We will be meeting at EBV at noon (12p) Saturday August 12th. We
will be taking a look at the units and exploring the store, and
begin installation under EBV supervision starting around 1pm.
Afterwards, I will be hosting a discussion and meet-and-greet for
anyone who is curious about the project at Doc's Refresher (984
University Ave, Berkeley, CA 94710). I hope to see you there!
If you have any questions or are having trouble finding the group
after you arrive you can contact me, Mario, at (323)-314-0783 [3].
Keep on meshing on!
-Mario
On Aug 10, 2017 15:31, "G Gallo" <ggallo102(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello gardenmeshers,
Sierk and I have been hard at work preparing various parts of the
project for the Nat Geo grant and the East Bay Vivarium prototype
roll out. A few updates from my end:
1. We have ~6 working prototypes (aka Garden Gnodes) thanks to the
prototyping party last Sunday
2. We now have a way of remotely updating the scripts running on the
Garden Gnodes via telnet (if interested check out this script [4])
3. With the help of Jake (from sudoroom), we also now have a few
Garden Gnodes being **safely** powered by Li-Po batteries.
4. I recently procured some analog multiplexers so we should be able
to test the light sensors soon.
5. The roll out at the East Bay Vivarium is planned for tomorrow at
9:30am, this should be as simple as setting up one of our
peoplesopen.net [5] routers, connecting it to their internet, and
then plugging in the Garden Gnodes in their respective tanks.
I plan at being at the Omni most of this evening preparing at least
five of the prototypes to be deployed at the Vivarium. This will
involve flashing the NodeMCU firmware, uploading the gardenmesh Lua
script, and checking that the remote update feature works correctly.
If any one is interested in learning about the hardware/firmware
side of the project feel free to stop by the Omni tonight (it's also
weekly JavaScript night!).
I know there were a few people that came by this week interested in
the project, but I do not have their emails. Mario, if you want to
add them to this thread that would be great.
-grant
On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:04 AM, Bullitt Bourbon <bb(a)elleko.net>
wrote:
hi-
l read this and also the e-mail you wrote to Divine, very nice work
there. Some comments/ questions:
1. Some of the monologues are kind of infomercially. An example is
cell 2: 'studies show that... the popularity of home gardening has
increased substantially'. that's not really stuff one would say IRL.
Maybe it's meant to suggest an ad-lib for similar content, just
wanted to point it out, though. l can help with all that.
2. cell 2 - Definitely not an expert here, but often gardens have
better performing and worse performing crops, right?
The images can match what is being narrated, from a poorly producing
section when u talk about factory farming to a thriving section when
u say 'what if we can grow more food...'
3. cell 3 - is this stock footage?
4. cell 5 - this is a good opportunity to show the actual device
off. it can just pretend to be working. we can make a fake data
screen and show it working on a phone. we can have infographics
showing how it works as well, but since these things exist on the
market, people already know about all that.
-BB
On 2017-08-07 19:44, Mario Gabiati wrote:
Hey I found this cool PDF report on home gardening in america, it's
up
something like 20% in the last 5 years and it seems to be very
popular
with young people. Maybe we can rip some infographics out for the
video? Take a look and tell me what you think! Thanks!
-MARIO
https://garden.org/special/pdf/2014-NGA-Garden-to-Table.pdf [6] [4]
On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 1:16 AM, Mario Gabiati <mgabiati(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
1. Nat Geo Grant Video (please watch and comment)
2. Prototype party August 6th 4pm-8pm
3. Invitation to field test at East Bay Vivarium
4. Gardenmesh meetings every Tuesday 8p
_____________________Hello everyone,
First off, I'd like to thank all of you for your continued efforts
on this project. We have some exciting developments I'm excited to
update you on:
With major help from Adam, I've put together a crack at the 1-minute
submission for the National Geographic 'Chasing Genius' grant
(www.natgeochasinggenius.com [7] [1]) due July 30th. I've chosen to
submit under the 'Feeding 9 Billion' focus. WATCH THE VIDEO HERE:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1fJuy09hh37SlkyakdlVVgxdjQ/view?usp=shari…
[8]
[2]
We only have a few more days to make edits before I have to submit
so I am interested in hearing any suggestions you have! Not looking
for perfection, just want to get the point across.
Next, if you'd like to participate in BUILDING PROTOTYPES, we will
be hosting a prototype building party AUGUST 6TH 4-8PM at the
sudoroom hack space at the Omni Commons (4799 Shattuck Ave, Oakland,
CA 94609). No need to be an expert, we are all learning together
here. Thank you Grant for taking on the lions share of the soldering
and coding for this project, we couldn't do it without you!
If you are interested in getting more technical information on the
project, please visit our GITHUB WIKI
(https://github.com/sudomesh/gardenmesh/wiki [9] [3]) - thank you
Grant,
Jorrit, and Scott!
More good news: Sean Parnell from East Bay Vivarium has graciously
offered to let us test our first round of prototypes in their Wi-Fi
connected store. We will be able to test the units without solar
panels or batteries, or much housing so that we can hammer out the
software side of things and make upgrades for the exterior units
that we will be testing at Annie's Annuals in the fall (thank you
Cassandra!).
Lastly, if you are interested in getting more involved in the
project, we have gardenmesh meetings every Tuesday evening at 8pm at
the Omni Commons (4799 Shattuck Ave, Oakland, CA 94609).
Thank you!
-Mario Gabiati
GardenMesh Project Coordinator
Links:
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[1] http://www.natgeochasinggenius.com [7]
[2]
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1fJuy09hh37SlkyakdlVVgxdjQ/view?usp=shari…
[10]
[3] https://github.com/sudomesh/gardenmesh/wiki [9]
[4] https://garden.org/special/pdf/2014-NGA-Garden-to-Table.pdf [6]
--
-Bullitt Bourbon
Links:
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[1] https://www.postscapes.com/wireless-plant-sensors/
[2] http://www.peoplesopen.net/gardenmesh
[3] tel:(323)%20314-0783
[4] https://github.com/sudomesh/gardenmesh/blob/master/remoteupload.sh
[5] http://peoplesopen.net
[6] https://garden.org/special/pdf/2014-NGA-Garden-to-Table.pdf
[7] http://www.natgeochasinggenius.com
[8]
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1fJuy09hh37SlkyakdlVVgxdjQ/view?usp=shari…
[9] https://github.com/sudomesh/gardenmesh/wiki
[10]
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1fJuy09hh37SlkyakdlVVgxdjQ/view?usp=shari…
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